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Hi guys, iam in sort of a small problem here.

I havent got a real army with army list and stuff yet, althought ive bought a tyranid force recently, with my stubborn head, and now, hard as it seems, i have to admit that
i had chosen wrong, tyranids are a cool and powerfull army oh yes, they do have potential as an army to play with, but when i finally had my hive tyrant painted all up and assembled
i didnt rly feel a joy or anything while normally iam overjoyed to see all my hard work payed off.

so i want to start a new army, now ive collected wh(40k) a lot and painted / converted etc. but never aimed to go for an official playable army.
and since ive always been obsessed with the Imperium of man ( IG, Marines ) iam thinking of going there, both armies are totally independant, as in you
can create your own themes and stories, chapters and regiments with their own style and all that, but i think that marines are a bit mandatory, everyone has space marines it seems
since they simply rock and are not too hard to assamble / paint / play with and they are superhumans. IG on the other hand are massive armies with quadrillions of soldiers fighting for the emperor in a
sort of starship trooper style, the thing the rly pulls me off from IG on the other hand is that they use silly puny lasers instead of sheer steel bullets to fight the enemy, ofc you wont recognize this from their weapons
which is, in turn, good again ( yeah iam rly into detail kinda guy ). so what would be cool to start with, IG or marines, i mean iam rly into millitary stuff, and marines seems too much of a fashion like think while IG gives you the
more modern-day like soldiers.

this must be one of the hardest choices there is but any tips / advice or details i dont know? ( i do have IG codex and do not have a SM codex, i do however have an older DA codex and a BT codex )
can you mention stuff that will make my decision easier? ( fluff-wise, convert-wise and paint-wise )

iam gonna do my own style / chapter / regiment for sure so any advice on whats the easiest army to create your own style?

thx in advance

Orks, orks, orks, orks. Orks, orks, orks, orks.

lol yeah i love orks aswell they are like totally crazy just like me in person but the problem with orks is that you gotta be rly creative and iam not creative at all

altho i could ofc give it a shot and with Adam's blog on his dreds and stuff ( kudos to that chap hes amazing in buildin stuff )

iam just trying to get inspiration anywhere on the net atm and stuff, playing DoW to see the units alive a bit ( the basilisks there are the ownage )

i think i just gotta release my imagination a bit more, i got a bunch of ork boyz here with a warboss from way back, i could start doing some stuff on them ofc.
i could ask advice whatever i want i realise that its rly me thats gotta give the shot, off to do some more surfin on da net to find more inspiration.

thx for the constructive advice tho

I'd say that if you're not totally sold on marine, avoid 'em. Everyone (myself included) plays marines. It's more fun for the entire hobby if you play something else (like IG).

I was very close to starting an IG army or three myself. The army list is pretty flexible in a lot of ways, and you can play nearly any type of human warrior with them. The Codex is one of the best currently in print. I recommend 'em.

yeah so i did, and i posted an army list and small story on the army list forum but no replies yet, iam not sure if its a good list.

AdrenalineRusher wrote:when i finally had my hive tyrant painted all up and assembled i didnt rly feel a joy or anything while normally iam overjoyed to see all my hard work payed off.

That's terrible that you spend so much time and don't like the result.

ive always been obsessed with the Imperium of man ( IG, Marines )

what would be cool to start with, IG or marines,

A couple questions you should ask yourself:
- Can you build lots of models (IG) or get tired after a few (SM)?
- Do you want your army to be more "realistic" (IG) or "fantasy" (SM)?
- Do you like lots of tanks (IG) or Dreadnoughts & Landspeeders (SM)?
- Do you like shooting (IG) or fighting (SM)?

Really, the IG & SM are very different. I'd suggest SM for your first army, as it'll be easier to learn on. Or just proxy up a few games and see how it goes.

I recommend reading the book Starship Troopers (by Heinlein) instead of watching the movie. Space Marines are a pretty much the marines from the book, not so IG. The hack who made the movie didn't even bother to read it, but if you could stomach the movie (the hot red head did it for me) you will likely adore the book.

More on topic, you might do well to do a little of both. SM and IG can take each other as allies, particularly if you decide Grey Knights are your SM of choice. That might go a long way into helping you forge an army you like.

Otherwise, I agree with John's list of advice (thunder just crashed as I typed that...) They really are different sorts of armies in almost every regard. Personally, I like that guard has artillery, real, beefy artillery, but then I absolutely love the big guns. SM are easier to make super competitive, IG are easier to make really strange ideas with (at least in my opinion.)

thx for all your advice guys, i think the problem with me really lies in that i actually dont know a boob about how the game works on itself, i own a couple codexes and i think i have acces to all of them ( via my uncle ). so i could learn ofc. but i base all my ideas purely on fiction and how the models look etc, the point about the starship troopers thing i brought up was more that i rly liked the way especially the "Mobile Infantry" are represented, as 1 big army and the colours are very general, they dont fit any themes and actualy any theme, which i rly like.

iam also a huge fan of big guns and bombs, but on the other hand i like ruthless close combat aswell, after doing some research on the net i figured that whfb might be a bit of my thing too, cos there i can represent my army as a whole pretty nice too, especially with the regiment system and not the individual models ( altho bound in squads ).

my point is, when i choose an army i will choose it purely on fictive and appearent factors more then on statistics or play-style, this could imo be a good and a bad thing, cos if i choose IG cos theyre models looks nice, but i like close combat and ( obviously, when surrounded by all those big things ) they suck at it makes no sense either. its a hard decision to make in any case. to give a bit more clearence as to what iam looking for:

- good orginised and a bit formal looking
- powerfull and relentless
- empire style society ( not specifically aiming towards THE imperium but the way the race acts and lives )
- no spacy colours ( this ofc is totally in my own hands cos you can give any race any colour you like )
- clear style, easy to get a hold of / to learn about

these points obviously aim more towards the good guys then the bad guys, but as far as i know even chaos acts in in empire style warfar referring to the phrase "We are Legion"
and orks, which are ofc not too well orginised but make a good standing army, tyranids, which i think cannot be my end choice as they simply dont fit my interests enough ( not enough info about who they are, where they come from, who is the hive mind? etc. ) Eldar is not my thing either cos i simply dont like the too much lady like elfs.

i like the comment about the grey knights tho, they seem a pretty cool thing but the thing that bothers me is that they are but a small orginisation in such a massive whole ( the imperium ).
as i said before, iam very into the detail and into the fiction behind the race rather then raw stats or codex changes.

what i need is an race that i can pick, ill buy myself a battleforce ( debatable ) and think: YEAH! that, supported with the strong background of the race, and me being happy about the results would make my choice clear.

edit: i allrdy have a 20 man cadian squad and got 10 of them painted fairly easy style, i like the results but i think i need a bett view of it to know for sure, like tanks and commanders and stuff added to give a better image.

ive figured it out, i got some new inspiration lately, i was screwing around with the army painter on dow lately and, althought its not that advanced, the rough
idea i got from the scheme got me rly into, yes, SPACE MARINES i did some more research on the net about them and watched some youtube tributes about them.
the fluff is so great and the impression they make is so massive that i simply cant deny the emperors finest warriors! imperial guard are cool yes, but they are not MADE for war.
space marines, on the other hand, are bio-engineered for that 1 purpose, war and war only, and isnt war what 40k is about?

so, there you have it, iam totall out of money for now but in 2.5 weeks ill get my new salary and ill buy gakloads of marines and pwn anyone who stand in the emperors inevitable way!
ill stay active on the forum to get more understanding about them and more inspiration how they work.
the good thing about everyone playing marines is ofc that you can get lots of help/advice .

ill be doing a custom made chapter which i havent found a name for yet.

they will be a black templar-ish chapter but more based on the templer knights from medieval ages, so they are i think the WHITE templars !!!

the colours will be white as a main colour, with red as a secondary colour and black / yellow as additional detail colours for leaders etc.
for some advice id like to know what things best to take into consideration when creating your own chapter

thx for reading, and for future advice

I am a Marine Fanboi through and through. They are the most heavily 'backgrounded' Army type in 40k. The light of the Emporer will shine forever.

That being said Sir, I would advise you against it for your first Army(on a limited budget-sorry if it seems rude, just basing it on the OP)

IMO, Chaos or Eldar would be the best for a new player.

Fewer models, great scope for customisation, ready and willing opponents(they are all tired of playing against SM's! lol) and easy list filling choices that are fun.

If you were to go SM, I would suggest 'St George The Great' as your Chapter Master. Cool avatar, and goes with the whole 'White Templars' thing.

Good luck with deciding Sir!

thx for the comment, iam coming up with more and more ideas for armies, this is good

I was about to suggest Eldar as well, but depending on what you mean by spacey colors, the style may not be for you. As far as background, you're not going to have the monolithic organization of the Imperium, or the idealism of the tau. With Eldar you can do many different types of army...If you like "guard-like" infantry, then you can base your army around Eldar guardians. If you want a powerful assault based army, then banshees and scorps are for you. If you want something hard, then Falcons or Wraithlords/Wraithguard are just for you.

Get yourself some 2nd ed. codicies (hopefully a friend has 'em and can loan you some), and Dark Millenium. See if any of the stories or descriptions suit your fancy.

Eldar is just not for me i think cos imo elegance does not belong in war and the way they look is something i dont like theyre not an option.