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Hey folks, I have pretty much fallen out of 40k for the past several years, but I'm considering getting back into it. I will continue with my Nurgle army, but I want to also do something different, something new.

I want something very assault oriented, so I'm pretty much torn between Night Lords and World Eaters, can you convince me on either? Or if you want, feel free to whore another army (I don't really know which forum is appropriate for this topic, this is doubling as my introduction) - I've considered Dark Eldar and Tyranids. Please, feel free to promote whatever army you see fit - but if you do, I also would an opinion on NL vs WE.

So yea, hi.

Have you kept your old models or would you be starting a new army from scratch?

If you're starting from scratch, a high-point value to low-model count army isn't a bad re-starting point. You could do a Deathwing/Ravenwing or Terminator heavy SM army for that. Plus get you'd get some assaulty goodness in there.

As far as NL vs. WE goes, Chaos in general got nerfed pretty bad by the latest codex and there's really not much differentiation between the Chaos Legions other than some fielding more or less of some units than others. The general feeling I've seen here on Dakka has been that going the Khorne route generally sucks, so WE probably won't do you much good. I know Night Lords used a lot of Raptors, which are generally a staple of solid Chaos lists these days, but I'm not sure how much Chaos players are using bikes.

If you can stand the DE models, they're still a viable army for competitive play, and I know that the Nidzilla army is still a dominating force in some circles.

For Chaos I would go with Night Lords. Their fluff is much more interesting imo.
Dark Eldar are rumored to be getting a new codex and minis soon, so maybe build an army now while you're waiting to see how DE turn out. Their release won't be for at least 6-12 months so you have time.
Or if you like SM and like assaulty goodness why not go with Black Templars. They have cool minis and they are very assaulty(to the point of excluding most everything else).

Play Night Lords. They're rarer, and don't suffer from "Hurr, Charge" as their defining characteristic. Plus, Raptors are cool.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Have you kept your old models or would you be starting a new army from scratch?

If you're starting from scratch, a high-point value to low-model count army isn't a bad re-starting point. You could do a Deathwing/Ravenwing or Terminator heavy SM army for that. Plus get you'd get some assaulty goodness in there.

As far as NL vs. WE goes, Chaos in general got nerfed pretty bad by the latest codex and there's really not much differentiation between the Chaos Legions other than some fielding more or less of some units than others. The general feeling I've seen here on Dakka has been that going the Khorne route generally sucks, so WE probably won't do you much good. I know Night Lords used a lot of Raptors, which are generally a staple of solid Chaos lists these days, but I'm not sure how much Chaos players are using bikes.

If you can stand the DE models, they're still a viable army for competitive play, and I know that the Nidzilla army is still a dominating force in some circles.

I have a lot of old Tyranids, so I'm leaning a lot towards that. I have a bunch of Chaos stuff too, but I'm mostly saving that for my Death Guard army which is still WIP (and will be for a while). I just feel like messing with something new, and trying to gather as much info as possible since I've been out of this for at least 3 years.



I picked up the chaos codex today, and what the hell happened? I haven't been able to look too in-depth at it, but is there any distinction amongst the lesser demons now?

I couldn't find any of the demonic gifts either, also it seems the possessed marines have been dumbed down. That and are renegade marines any different from regular marines?

I'll be buying the loyalist and tyranid codecies next.

So World Eaters aren't a good option anymore? that's a shame.

So it's between
Night Lords
Loyalists
Tyranids
(maybe) Dark Eldar

For loyalists, I am interested in mostly Black Templars, Salamanders, and (maybe) Space Wolves - but I don't want anything too broken. And that's the general impression I get from chapters like BTs and SWs

El Steve-O wrote:I picked up the chaos codex today, and what the hell happened? I haven't been able to look too in-depth at it, but is there any distinction amongst the lesser demons now?

Er. No. Lesser demons suck for now. They're supposed to get better in May when we see a Codex: Daemons, although rumors are going back and forth as to whether they'll be able to ally with CSM armies (except in Apoc, natch).

As far as Renegade Marines go? Yes. They don't have ATSKNF.

I certainly wouldn't categorize SW as broken right now. In fact, one of my friends who's played SW since Rogue Trader has shelved them for 4th as they're just not very effective under the current rule set. They may get better in 5th Ed, though.

There is no difference between the lesser deamons at this time...same with the greater deamons. A lot of the options disappeared or were simplified.

The difference between a regular CSM and a Loyalist SM is that the CSM comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and CC wpn. Big whoop right? I've already had it affect at least one game.

Death Guard are nice now though...Toughness 5 and Feel No Pain is nothing to scoff at. I've played around with the idea of a rhino rush nurgle army in my head for awhile now.

Black Templars are definitely not broken. Space wolves I'd say still have some cheese in em, though they are rumored to get a codex redo soonish as well (read that as about a year out or so).

'Nids can be made quite assaulty and viable. With the rumors of 5th edition a hordish 'nid army will go up in power as well.

Dark Eldar, unless you already have models, I personally wouldn't get into. With a new codex all but on the horizon, who knows whats going to happen to them. If I was to start a new army and was contemplating them I'd either wait for the codex to come out, or look for a cheap buy on Ebay.

With those choices I don't think you can really go wrong.

Death By Monkeys wrote:I certainly wouldn't categorize SW as broken right now. In fact, one of my friends who's played SW since Rogue Trader has shelved them for 4th as they're just not very effective under the current rule set. They may get better in 5th Ed, though.

Drop wolves are nasty...

I think I may end up doing loyalists (Probably BTs or Salamanders [just cause I like them]) or 'nids

At least until chaos gets better.

I have a lot of older 'nid models, so it's most likely them. Though I really want to get my hands on some of the newer models.

You are coming back in at a strange time, where we have a handfull of new codecii that are geared up for the impending release of the 5th edition rules. The CSM Codex should be one of those, along with the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, the new Orks, and perhaps the Eldar codex.

If you want to see which way the loyalist marines are going look through the new dark angels codex, or you can download the blood angels pdf for free right from the GW site.

I decided to put my marines on the shelf and work on building up Orks for the June release of 5e. After the rumored new SM codex comes out, I will go back to that.

Take a look at some of the 5th edition rumor threads; the game could be changing in many drastic ways, and it might affect which way you choose to go.

I'm definitely going to hold off buying the BBB then