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Well, the thing is, the test of innocence involves not being night killed. If you are night killed, you're innocent, if you aren't night killed you are not proven innocent.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

VikingScott wrote:That would take it down to 15.
Wouldn't that make the teams imbalanced though?

Nah, some townies will probably just get some role PM's, being substituted in. Or some of the reserves will come in, like TherVadam.

I meant that if they are both town it means that the game would be 2 days shorter (i.e easier to win for cultists)

@Halonachos: I am interested to see if that works. But obviously if you post what your thinking of doing then people will be able to think of a way round it. So keep your method secret.

@Anyone else. My suspicion on BrotherStynier isn't really very strong. This is the RVS as well. And I am delighted at the chatter it has caused, meaning I can get a better read on you all.

Hm.... Have to say I'm not really understanding what you meant by chatter. Also, am I the only one that feels really ignored? I don't think I've had a direct response yet.

OOC: I love Halo, although I have to say I'm more of a Sangheili fan as you might be able to tell from the Username (depends, it's really nerdy), and wanted to know: Do you play online?

@TherVadam.
The final part of my last post was mostly aimed at you, so your not ignored. I just put @everyone else becuase others would like to know also.

And yes I do play online. I've got 1 month online.
Gamertag is: VikingSparks

Cool I'll add you. Gamertag: Ther Vadam, but I warn you, I'm an annoying pre-adolescent. Also, I'm going through some Halo: Reach withdrawal, as it's known at my school.

Also, my suspicion is swerving a bit towards LL right now. His only reason for going against me was because of my bandwagoning although my vote was cast because scott had voted for me. So, I really wasn't bandwagoning, however it was incredibly easy to call it bandwagoning and LL may have seen an easy target. Either because he just wanted someone to vote out and I presented myself with a bullseye on my back or he wanted to see me try to defend myself.

So I put LL's mood either at wanting to quickly lynch someone to get people talking or as a move to probe me to determine my status. In effect, determining the roles of the many or the roles of the one.

I have defended my previous votes, every single one of them.

halonachos wrote:Also, my suspicion is swerving a bit towards LL right now. His only reason for going against me was because of my bandwagoning although my vote was cast because scott had voted for me. So, I really wasn't bandwagoning, however it was incredibly easy to call it bandwagoning and LL may have seen an easy target. Either because he just wanted someone to vote out and I presented myself with a bullseye on my back or he wanted to see me try to defend myself.

So I put LL's mood either at wanting to quickly lynch someone to get people talking or as a move to probe me to determine my status. In effect, determining the roles of the many or the roles of the one.

I have defended my previous votes, every single one of them.

I think your the only one who hasn't noticed it was a joke vote. It had a smiley by it.

Back OT: I think by this point we should be getting out of the RVS.

Also, I'd like to see more posts from everyone actually, on who everyone suspects. I know we still have a lot of time, but we really need to get someone lynched this "day", wow that's awkward to say.

Lord Loss, DRK, Halo, Syphonius: Who do you suspect?

Halo: Also, I have to say: At this point, when there are only a few people driving conversation these votes seem pretty helpful. It's not like that one vote would lead to your lynch.

The answer is no, I do not own an xbox. Whenever I play halo at a friends house I use the name "nachos" simply because I enjoy running them over and getting the "splattered by nachos" thing to come up.

halonachos wrote:Well, the thing is, the test of innocence involves not being night killed. If you are night killed, you're innocent, if you aren't night killed you are not proven innocent.

"We can tie her to a rock, and drop her in the middle of a lake!" exclaimed halonachos, "If she is innocent, then she shall drown, though if she is a witch she will survive, and we will burn her at the stake for her crimes!!!"



I suspect Drk_Oblitr8r, reason pending...

I can tell you who I don't suspect right now, the spanish inquisition, that's who.

As far as people I suspect though I could say (in order of least to most) steempunk, Thervadam, scott, IG, drk, ginger, stynier, bishop, LL, scarper, ferret, karon. I think I'm missing some people though, but I really don't suspect them.

Scarper and Drk both started out hot, but haven't said too much recently in terms of suspicions. Karon has been on, but hasn't said a word, which may indicate lurking or plotting IMHO.

Same thing with ferret. A lot of people have shut up recently and I don't like it.

I do suspect syphonius because syphonius stands for:

Some youthul, possibly heretical, overly negotiating, inquisitorial undermining slave.

No one suspects the Spanish Inquisition!

And yeah i see that now you've pointed it out. I just might be that there is something important in real life though. That might be why they've been quiet.

OK I think we have to get away from the acronyms, and I definitely am suspicious of those that have stopped contributing, but I think those people will be prodded and removed anyway. Also, I must ask what you meant by the whole mention of xboxs. When I said "You too, Halo" in the previous post, I meant that contributing how you plan on getting the information of who is town should be released before the night, unless you're the inquisitor, which would make that a pretty bold move.

You guys were talking about xbox and I thought you were wondering if I had an online account.

As far as a plan goes, you can't really tell your plans in the open forum. You tell everyone your plan and that ruins it. For example, if the plan was to put 4 votes on each person at a time, then it would be ruined because everyone would know that it was intended.

So, telling your plans doesn't really do much and I'm not sure if you yourself are a demon or heretic or pro town so you can see why I am less inclined to pm you any plans, not to mention I think that that's against the rules anyways.

But, your questioning does leave something to be asked thervadam. Why do you want to know everyone's plans so badly, is it so that you can avoid them or plan against them?

halonachos wrote:I can tell you who I don't suspect right now, the spanish inquisition, that's who.

As far as people I suspect though I could say (in order of least to most) steempunk, Thervadam, scott, IG, drk, ginger, stynier, bishop, LL, scarper, ferret, karon. I think I'm missing some people though, but I really don't suspect them.

Scarper and Drk both started out hot, but haven't said too much recently in terms of suspicions. Karon has been on, but hasn't said a word, which may indicate lurking or plotting IMHO.

Same thing with ferret. A lot of people have shut up recently and I don't like it.

At first, I went because my name wasn't mentioned!

Acronyms are nice...

Wow, I forgot one of the major players in the game so far. What a stupid list and I intend to correct it at a later point in time.

Back, anyway two points to Halonachos:

1. I meant for you to announce to everyone your plan, so that if you get night killed or something we don't lose an important contributor to town (hopefully)
2. Everything's important to me because I'd like to see more people contribute and the more information out there, the more I think people will be interested. Also, although I'd guess that no matter what role I was I'd say this, I do have to say that I am pro-town and want to help you in your plan, and I don't want everyone's plans being secret, because there are only three situations I see:

1. You're a decoy. Good for town, but it's an easy night kill.
2. You had some amazing way to discover cultists, and then got night killed and town is screwed without you.
3. You're a demon getting rid of cultists... Don't really see the point of that.

BTW. Congrats on 2400 Posts.

Also, you suspect (of the most active people) Lord Loss, as of right now. Why? I think he was a pretty valid contributor earlier on, and at this point there's really four people talking, although that is very likely because of the fact that people might be in different time zones.

Lord-Loss is apparetnly in the UK. I am in the UK and am posting.

Unvote: BrotherStyiener

The fact that he used the "I have defended everyone" in his defense when in fact he lied and has not defended everyone equally. In fact, he has only attacked me.

His logic behind attacking me was that I was "bandwagoning" which I really did not do, so he has no real logic behind his attack as well.

That's the big thing I guess. It seemed to me that LL was thinking this;
"hmm... halo is voting for somebody that two others are voting for. He must be bandwagoning and therefor a heretic, or at least an easy target for a first round lynch to distract the others.".

My guess is that there are a couple of possibilities; LL truly thought I was a heretic due to bandwagoning, LL was looking for a quick lynch to get the game going, or LL wanted a quick lynch to hurt the town asap.

Even though I explained my vote for scott more than several times, he has still continued his suspicions of me despite any and all logic I have used.

Oh, and about my plan. I will give you the basic gist of it and nothing more.

I'm looking for patterns in player actions/reactions. For example, Drk is usually quite silly so far. When he turns serious, that's when I'll worry about him.

Bishop and LL will almost always attack a person's logic and use RVS as an explanation of a vote for Drk_O's votes. I will guess that they will do that for almost anybody they are not suspicious of.

IG, Scott, and I are all new and trying to figure this game out and most of our posts and suspicions have followed the advice of more senior players. This is something that needs to be fixed in my opinion as it skews the latter part of my plan, which will be explained later.

Stynier, Bishop, and LL are following a similar attitude concerning the game; mainly probing and not voting for anyone who has yet to vote. I mean they have only voted to lynch people who have voted to lynch other people. I think that this is due to caution on their parts.

ferret, ginger, and fifty have had no real arguments against other players as of yet so when they start suspecting others heavily, I will be watching them.

Okay, that's only the first part of my plan. The second involves the clumping of certain players together into groups of ; pro town, cultists, demons, pro town roles.

Yes, I am looking for people who are constantly defending each other or avoiding attacks on each other. While bishop, LL, and stynier are all using similar play styles, they may not be in the same group. One could be an inquisitor, the other a cultist, and the other a townie.

I am hoping that scott and drk_O are in the same group. Whether or not that is anti-town has yet to be decided. I will vote for a certain player that I suspect to be in a group and if that player is lynched, I will determine the innocense of the others I suspect to be in a group.

If a player is lynched and is a cultist, I will suspect his "cohorts" to also be cultists or a demon. If a player is an inquisitor or townie, that makes it increasingly difficult as I think the inquisitor role depends on the player controlling the inquisitor. A scummy inquisitor may not steer the town towards the cultists at first in order to gain the trust of the cultist players and later use that to vote out other anti-town players. A good inquisitor may steer the town towards the cultists immediately and face the collective lynch votes of the cultists and in this game, demons.

The collective votes of the anti-town in this game is around 7 or maybe 8 if there are 4 or 5 cultists and 3 or 2 demons. Not to mention the rogue psyker who may put their vote with the cultists and anti-town, which will lead to the majority vote and a lynching of the inquisitor.

If they are convincing enough, other townies may have voted against the inquisitor and only the anti-town know who is a townie or not. Then the night kills come in again to wreck the town once again.

So, I think it's in the best interest of the inquisitor not to show their true colors for awhile in this game as there are too many anti-town members to do so safely. If a senior player has this role, then I suspect that they will do their best to hide it while a new player will most likely flaunt said power and soon have their head on a silver platter.

So with this plan, I am looking not only for anti-town, but pro-town. After all, the inquisitor is no good dead nor unknown to the town.

In fact, if Drk_O is the inquisitor, he's not doing a very good job of it.

First of all. Town players don't know who else is town.

Second. There is no link between me and Drk_O. What I thought was humourous, you saw as me defending him.
I think you are the only one who hasn't realised this yet.

I try to defend people who actually have done nothing suspicous. Currently I feel that Halo is the most suspicous character here, thought it's not like we got a lot of suspicous people.

Halo wrote:hmm... halo is voting for somebody that two others are voting for. He must be bandwagoning

When you jump on them in the RVS while they have two other votes, it's bandwagoning. What seems to single you out was your constant posting of stuff like "Ofcourse you're a heretic, we ain't bandwagoning" I can find thwe quotes later.

I disliked the way you seem to find thisd non existent link betwen Drk_Oblit and Scott, I can't see it.

Post more later, on sa laptop which is about to turn off due to over heating, due to a broke fan! Sorry for spelling mkistakes, more latter. XD

halonachos wrote:

Stynier, Bishop, and LL are following a similar attitude concerning the game; mainly probing and not voting for anyone who has yet to vote. I mean they have only voted to lynch people who have voted to lynch other people. I think that this is due to caution on their parts.

The only person I've voted for was Karon, who has yet to post, at the time I was trying to lure him into the open. Right now I'm with holding judgment, trying to get a feel for how you new guys play.

Exactly stynier. Like I said you're mainly probing and not voting, plus your only vote has been to probe a person who hasn't played in awhile and will probably get kicked soon.

@scott, have you seen my vote lately? I haven't voted for anyone lately, I got my voting jitters out and I am going to withold my vote until it is needed.

@LL, I understand where you're coming from. I guess we have different terms of what bandwagoning means. I did not care who had voted for scott, only that he had voted for me. I would also like to add that I only removed my vote to lynch him AFTER he unvoted me.

As far as my belief in a connection between scott and Drk, I just saw the smiley face when I looked back at it.

If it was a joke vote, just voting for the hell of it, then I don't think you two have a connection.

It all depends and once I can guess who the inquisitor is, everything else will fall into play. Anyone he is suspicious of will be a cultist or demon and make everything a lot easier.

My game plan, lay back and let all you veterans do all the work!

Already getting some useful tips on how to play this game.

Drk_Oblitr8r needs to post more, since I want to get him!

Ah well, top of the suspect list so far is:

Dun dun dun!

No one, still the RVS as far as I am concerned, it might just be my green-ness, though no one has shown any inherent heresy yet!

One second, RVS stands for what? I thought it meant "Reality versus Story", and you guys are getting mad at me for my acronyms.
@syphonius, lazy.

halonachos wrote:Exactly stynier. Like I said you're mainly probing and not voting, plus your only vote has been to probe a person who hasn't played in awhile and will probably get kicked soon.

Except the post says we've only voted for people that have voted.