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2010/09/27 01:32:31
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Gailbraithe wrote:
This is an example of the sort of thing I would call a disturbing comment.
Wow. Coming from you?
Yes, I find it disturbing when people make arguments that provide justification for raping women.
Don't you?
I find it disturbing when someone says that a child of 18 months has no rights and is technically not human.
First of all, I never said that a child of 18 months is not human. Saying a infant has no rights implies that it is not a person under the law, not that it is not human.
Also, you and I may have very different ideas about what rights are and what it means to say a thing has rights. I have studied the law, and possibly have a better understanding of the implications of these statements than you do. Trust me, the implications of ascribing personhood before birth are far, far more disturbing. For example, if we define all human life as being a person and having rights, we have just sentenced women to eternal slavery to their own biology. It would literally strip all freedoms from women.
Gailbraithe wrote:
This is an example of the sort of thing I would call a disturbing comment.
Wow. Coming from you?
Yes, I find it disturbing when people make arguments that provide justification for raping women.
Don't you?
I find it disturbing when someone says that a child of 18 months has no rights and is technically not human.
First of all, I never said that a child of 18 months is not human. Saying a infant has no rights implies that it is not a person under the law, not that it is not human.
Also, you and I may have very different ideas about what rights are and what it means to say a thing has rights. I have studied the law, and possibly have a better understanding of the implications of these statements than you do. Trust me, the implications of ascribing personhood before birth are far, far more disturbing. For example, if we define all human life as being a person and having rights, we have just sentenced women to eternal slavery to their own biology. It would literally strip all freedoms from women.
THIS THREAD HAS CEASED TO BE ABOUT POLITICS AND WHATNOT
2010/09/27 01:52:03
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Gailbraithe wrote: For example, if we define all human life as being a person and having rights, we have just sentenced women to eternal slavery to their own biology. It would literally strip all freedoms from women.
How so?
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2010/09/27 03:06:06
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
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2010/09/27 03:29:37
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Gailbraithe wrote: For example, if we define all human life as being a person and having rights, we have just sentenced women to eternal slavery to their own biology. It would literally strip all freedoms from women.
How so?
All of the available science indicates that a woman's health and fitness three months prior to conception is one the greatest contributing factors to the viability of a fertilized egg, which means that if we treat developing blastocytes as humans with full rights, then a woman who does not keep herself in good physical condition, refraining from alcohol, cigarettes, fatty foods, etc, is guilty of criminally negligent endangerment of another person. It means that miscarriages are manslaughter.
Because of this, and because no woman can ever know for certain whether she will become pregnant within the next three months (especially given the possibility of rape), it can be (and has been) argued that all women of breeding age must always treat themselves as pre-pregnant. In other words by asserting that a blastocyte is a human with the rights of a human, you have created all the legal groundwork necessary to draft laws that strip women of the right to engage in a huge range of behaviors that men won't be denied, all in the name of protecting a "person" who doesn't even exist yet.
Here's more on the subject of pre-pregnancy. Under current law, while doctors recommend that all women of childbearing age treat themselves as pre-pregnant it is not criminal negligence to do so, because a fetus has no rights, and thus its death due to accident or negligence on the part of the mother (i.e. a miscarriage) is of no concern to the law. Grant that fetus rights, and suddenly the law is obligated to step in a protect those rights.
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2010/09/27 03:33:24
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
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Gailbraithe wrote:
First of all, I never said that a child of 18 months is not human. Saying a infant has no rights implies that it is not a person under the law, not that it is not human.
Even if true (and the idea of 'human' rights comes into this I guess) that claim isn't any less disturbing.
Also, you and I may have very different ideas about what rights are and what it means to say a thing has rights. I have studied the law, and possibly have a better understanding of the implications of these statements than you do. Trust me, the implications of ascribing personhood before birth are far, far more disturbing. For example, if we define all human life as being a person and having rights, we have just sentenced women to eternal slavery to their own biology. It would literally strip all freedoms from women.
So you studied a double degree in Arts/Law. Which University?
Secondly, the implication of declaring that children under 18 have no rights under the law is far, far more disturbing. And I don't know where you're getting this biological slavery argument from.
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