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2010/09/25 23:25:41
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
In all fairness Gailbraithe, you DO seem kind of an angry guy.
In all fairness Phryxis, using revelations of a traumatic event in someone's past as part of a rhetorical stratagem is pretty poor form. And that IS what you are doing.
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Libertarian populism is being used to advance fascism. That's actually one of the hallmark's of fascism, using leftist rhetoric to advance right wing causes. And libertarianism -- which was originally a synonym for anarchism and socialism -- is very much leftist rhetoric.
I also don't think that most movement conservatives are cognizant of the implicit fascism of the movement. I think most are simply "useful idiots," which is why I think its important to point out that modern conservatism is fascism and has nothing at all to do with the dictionary definition of conservative (really, going by the dictionary, the vast majority of Democrats are the actual conservatives -- dedicated to preserving the establishment and maintaining the post-WW2 status quo).
I mean keep in mind that the Tea Party attracts a lot of the "keep the government's hands off my medicare" crowd, and one suspects that the libertarian populism holds little rational appeal for them, and rather they are responding to the rhetoric of freedom and liberty.
In all fairness Gailbraithe, you DO seem kind of an angry guy.
I prefer to think of myself as righteous rather than angry, but I will certainly cop to being very passionate about my positions.
And thanks for calling Phyrxis out on his shenanigans.
hatein order to make deeply offensive personal attacks on my character in a public forum.
Huh. I tried to make a haiku and it didn't work.
There are several ways to engage in conversation that do not involve the methods you use, Gailbrathe.
Ignoring all other references to your personal situation made by others, you seem angry on the face of it. There are probably a lot of massage parlors in Seattle, not a bad idea IMO.
Alternatively, Yoga is nice. You could find a place to get some acupuncture as well, I've heard that it can help you deal with stress.
You could be much calmer in your responses, even with the substance being much the same. There is no reason to assume that everyone that disagrees with you is a Troll, that much seems obvious enough to me.
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2010/09/25 23:48:37
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Gailbraithe wrote:Yeah dude, most people tend to get hostile when you take an event you know almost nothing about and use it to justify completely dismissing that person's ability to think for themselves.
Such as you comparing Republicans to Nazi's. Oh the irony.
That's not even remotely the same thing.
It's actually the exact same thing. You just would never admit it because it makes you a hypocrite.
No, it's not remotely the same thing.
Gailbraithe wrote:
I also don't think that most movement conservatives are cognizant of the implicit fascism of the movement. I think most are simply "useful idiots," which is why I think its important to point out that modern conservatism is fascism and has nothing at all to do with the dictionary definition of conservative (really, going by the dictionary, the vast majority of Democrats are the actual conservatives -- dedicated to preserving the establishment and maintaining the post-WW2 status quo)
And boom goes the dynamite.
Thanks for that.
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2010/09/25 23:54:58
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Gailbraithe wrote: conservatism is fascism and has nothing at all to do with the dictionary definition of conservative (really, going by the dictionary, the vast majority of Democrats are the actual conservatives -- dedicated to preserving the establishment and maintaining the post-WW2 status quo).
No, conservatism is about maintaining what is, and returning to what was. That is what follows from an embrace of tradition.
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2010/09/25 23:58:05
Subject: Re:With apologies to the bullying thread...
Libertarian populism is being used to advance fascism. That's actually one of the hallmark's of fascism, using leftist rhetoric to advance right wing causes. And libertarianism -- which was originally a synonym for anarchism and socialism -- is very much leftist rhetoric.
I also don't think that most movement conservatives are cognizant of the implicit fascism of the movement. I think most are simply "useful idiots," which is why I think its important to point out that modern conservatism is fascism and has nothing at all to do with the dictionary definition of conservative (really, going by the dictionary, the vast majority of Democrats are the actual conservatives -- dedicated to preserving the establishment and maintaining the post-WW2 status quo).
I mean keep in mind that the Tea Party attracts a lot of the "keep the government's hands off my medicare" crowd, and one suspects that the libertarian populism holds little rational appeal for them, and rather they are responding to the rhetoric of freedom and liberty.
The part I'm having difficulty with (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here) is accepting that the Tea Party movement, which is explicitly 'anti-state', (in as much as the state has direct involvement the lives of it's citizens) would naturally lead to the kind of all-powerful state that fascism would lead to.
Also collectivism vs. individualism. The Tea party seems to skew towards the latter, fascism to the former. American conservatives have an almost pathologocal belief in self-determination and individualism.
Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't piss on Sarah Palin if she was on fire. I regard the Tea Party movement with a mix of disgust and snorting derision. But I don't think they're fascist, at least not in a doctrinal sense. But a baying mob, with a baying mob mentality?
Yes, undoubtedly.
In all fairness Gailbraithe, you DO seem kind of an angry guy.
I prefer to think of myself as righteous rather than angry, but I will certainly cop to being very passionate about my positions.
There's righteous, and then there's rude. You fall on the side of rudeness far more often than is necessary, in my opinion. But hey, that's your business. Perhaps it's unintentional.
And thanks for calling Phyrxis out on his shenanigans.
I'm not on anyone's side in this. I think you're both acting like fething idiots, truth be told.
I'll say this like it or not. Pop and hip hop and rap and the other repulsive gak I listen to at school that makes me wana pull out my fingernails and bathe in vinegar basically a song is made that EVERYONE loves that year is thrown away and disregarded as soon as the next "hit" comes in.
Metal has never done that. We even cherish our legends onto death.
I've sold so many armies. :(
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Phryxis, do yourself a favor and stop pretending that you are magnanimous and benevolent.
I'm not pretending anything like that. I'm responding to the information presented to me in the way that I feel is most appropriate.
I'm not doing you any favors. I'm not your friend. I don't expect anybody to read my posts and say "wow, that guy is so nice." I'm just telling you what I think the truth is. It's what I do. I do it more than is useful. It's become clear that you're going to respond negatively to my version of the truth, which is not what I want to have happen, and yet I'm still telling it to you how I see it.
The fact is, I was happy to beat on you, humiliate you, mock your ideas. Then you tell a story about people beating you up in high school, and I realize you're THAT guy, and I have a choice between being the guy kicking you while you're down, and not. I don't want to be the guy kicking you. I'm not some angelic figure, I'm just a normal person that doesn't want to beat somebody while they're down. And, honestly, I'm probably not going to live up to my own goals. You say a lot of really annoying crap. If you keep talking, I'm sure I'll be the guy kicking you while you're down, because I'm just not nice enough not to.
You keep baiting people to kick you. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I'm quite prone to take that bait.
It's fine if you think I'm a jerk. It's fine if you refuse to listen to me. But if you tell me I am thinking things that I am not thinking, or doing things that I am not doing, I'm going to correct it. You don't have to listen. If you repeat yourself enough times, I'll probably give up correcting it. You seem to have more patience than I do, and I could be spending my time doing actual paid work, instead of arguing with you about what my intentions are.
And that IS what you are doing.
I know what my intentions are, and that is not my intention.
It may come across as my intention, and if so I apologize for not conveying things in a way that's true to my actual intention, but my intention is not what you describe.
I am not trying to use the guy's past to discredit his ideas. Honestly, I don't think anybody here takes his ideas at all seriously. I don't think I need to undermine anything he's saying any more than he does with his own tone and attitude. He's discredited himself. I don't need to resort to underhanded tactics to discredit him any further.
There's simply nothing to be gained by attacking the guy. It's what he wants, and it's only going to further entrench him in a mentality that is painful to read and probably even more painful to live with.
You are positioning yourself as this nice, caring, sympathetic dude, but the reality is that you are taking that position in order to make deeply offensive personal attacks on my character in a public forum.
Dude, I took it to PM. I TOLD YOU in a PM, BEFORE I even knew about your history, that I didn't want to gang up on you. You basically ignored me. You then posted it in the public forum, and proceeded to get ganged up on.
You're FORCING people to repeat your own dark history. You WANT it.
Last night I took it to PM again, and you ignored me. I'm trying NOT to have this discussion in public, but you refuse to respond in private and instead resort to misrepresenting me in public.
You want to be ganged up on. It's apprently a behavior you've learned, internalized, and now seek to repeat, consciously or otherwise. Perhaps you associated being ganged up on with being morally correct, I don't know.
You are being a world class jerk, and if we were at a bar, I would be throwing a whiskey sour in your face in right now.
Stop bringing it back to a fight. It's always a fight with you, always a confrontation where you're the moral victim, and the other guy is the "right wing thug."
"I didn't throw the first punch, officer, I merely splashed him with a drink, as his impertinence demanded!"
"Tough luck, buddy, you're going to jail, and he's not! Look how bad you beat him up!"
Oh, and the injustice continues! You are wronged, you prove your individual prowess in debate and in violence, and the system punishes you for righteousness, yet again.
That's a graphic novel, that's not reality. In reality you're very angry, you started fights with people, and it made you unhappy. Stop doing it.
I'm not asking you to stop because I'm some noble soul. I'm asking you to stop because I don't want to kick you while you're down, and if you don't stop, I probably will.
And to be clear, I'm saying that you should stop starting fights. You don't just have opinions. You have opinions that you use to start fights. You don't care about the opinions as much as you care about finding a fight. That's what you should stop. Have opinions all day long. Stop using them to start fights.
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I'll say this like it or not. Pop and hip hop and rap and the other repulsive gak I listen to at school that makes me wana pull out my fingernails and bathe in vinegar basically a song is made that EVERYONE loves that year is thrown away and disregarded as soon as the next "hit" comes in.
Metal has never done that. We even cherish our legends onto death.
Yeah, you didn't watch the video. And anyone who can dismiss Rakim, Nas, MosDef, Talib Kweli, Black Thought, Grandmaster Flash, Jurassic 5, Common, KRS-One, the Geto Boys, Outkast, The Fugees, Fort Minor, and more like that obviously doesn't know what the feth they are talking about.
Considering that Blue Oyster Cult, one of the forerunners of metal, doesn't get jack gak for respect I'd have to say your talking out your ass.
