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Wait wut, did you quote yourself?

Man this sounds like a dick thing to say, but I would imagine that IG guys, even those painted pretty damn well, doesn't constitute as art. I don't think anyone will change their perceptions on anything when they look at a model, mostly just "wow awesome scheme" Again I mean no disrespect to your painting abilities.

And yes I do think only a few people have really produced great works of art. Consider how many classics are ever covered in schooling for example. A single book can have a huge impact.

No she's right.

I would argue that one cannot be an expert of Art. You can be an expert in the history of art.

Wouldn't an art expert be an artist?

asimo77 wrote:Wait wut, did you quote yourself?

Man this sounds like a dick thing to say, but I would imagine that IG guys, even those painted pretty damn well, doesn't constitute as art. I don't think anyone will change their perceptions on anything when they look at a mode, mostyl just "wow awesome scheme" Again I mean no disrespect to your painting abilities.

And yes I do think only a few people have really produced great works of art. Consider how many classics are ever covered in schooling for example. A single book can have a huge impact.

ah, but is not the man who sculpted it an artist? Sculpting is a dwindling art form kept alive mostly by our favorite hobby.

Did someone seriously say mah philosophy is subjective?!?!?!

Rage levels rising to unprecedented levels! EXTERMINATUS IMMINENT

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I would argue that one cannot be an expert of Art.

Your argument is that there is no such thing as an expert in philosophy? That no one can have sufficient knowledge to be an authority on a subject that is not empirically quantitative? And that something that is not empirically quantitative is subjective? Seriously?

asimo77 wrote:Wouldn't an art expert be an artist?

not in the classical definition. The haughty taughty people at art exhibts in mueseums are "experts" but cannot paint or draw.

LordofHats wrote:Really. Philosophy is not a field of subjective study. People learn this in any introductory philosophy class.

Did I say that about philosophy? No? Then drop it.

I said art. If you're saying art and philosophy are the same thing, then it would be rare for me to more vehemently disagree with you.

LordofHats wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I would argue that one cannot be an expert of Art.

Your argument is that there is no such thing as an expert in philosophy? That no one can have sufficient knowledge to be an authority on a subject that is not empirically quantitative? Seriously?

I didn't say anything about philosophy. Your putting words in my mouth err keyboard.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

asimo77 wrote:Wait wut, did you quote yourself?

Man this sounds like a dick thing to say, but I would imagine that IG guys, even those painted pretty damn well, doesn't constitute as art. I don't think anyone will change their perceptions on anything when they look at a mode, mostyl just "wow awesome scheme" Again I mean no disrespect to your painting abilities.

And yes I do think only a few people have really produced great works of art. Consider how many classics are ever covered in schooling for example. A single book can have a huge impact.

ah, but is not the man who sculpted it an artist? Sculpting is a dwindling art form kept alive mostly by our favorite hobby.

After seeing the new deldar Jes and Jaun are goddamn muses


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Oh ok by expert you meant someone who has studied the field. I thought you meant an expert at creating art.

asimo77 wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

asimo77 wrote:Wait wut, did you quote yourself?

Man this sounds like a dick thing to say, but I would imagine that IG guys, even those painted pretty damn well, doesn't constitute as art. I don't think anyone will change their perceptions on anything when they look at a mode, mostyl just "wow awesome scheme" Again I mean no disrespect to your painting abilities.

And yes I do think only a few people have really produced great works of art. Consider how many classics are ever covered in schooling for example. A single book can have a huge impact.

ah, but is not the man who sculpted it an artist? Sculpting is a dwindling art form kept alive mostly by our favorite hobby.

After seeing the new deldar Jes and Jaun are goddamn muses

Yeah frikkin awesome. But like Melissia said they would be mocked in traditional art circles for making alien toy soldiers.

These experts whose positions you are calling subjective are philosophers. I'm not talking some tour guide in an art museum. I'm talking Professor Happersnapserwhip (yes I did make that name up) who wrote a dissertation on what is art and is an expert in the field of aesthetics, which is the study of art and where we turn to to find out what art is.

You did just call philosophy subjective because there is in fact a scientific field dedicated to its study and it is not subjective.

Well they look hella nice, but do the models say anything significant about the human condition? That they don't doesn't mean they deserve to be ridiclued though.

LordofHats wrote:

These experts whose positions you are calling subjective are philosophers. I'm not talking some tour guide in an art museum. I'm talking Professor Happersnapserwhip (yes I did make that name up) who wrote a dissertation on what is art and is an expert in the field of aesthetics, which is the study of art and where we turn to to find out what art is.

You did just call philosophy subjective because there is in fact a scientific field dedicated to its study and it is not subjective.

Dude, have fun defending a position no one challenged. It shall surely be an endless debate.


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asimo77 wrote:Well they look hella nice, but do the models say anything significant about the human condition? That they don't doesn't mean they deserve to be ridiclued though.

Agreed. They are art is my point.

So I understand your position: you would say that the models do say something significant and thus are art? Or that being really sweet looking is an art making property?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dude, have fun defending a position no one challenged. It shall surely be an endless debate.

Does no one read what they say on this forum?

Melissa wrote:They're "experts" in a field of subjective study, where one person's art is the next person's trash.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:No she's right.

I would argue that one cannot be an expert of Art. You can be an expert in the history of art.

Both of you claimed that a field of philosophy in subjective. If that is not what you meant to say, you shouldn't have said it, because that is in fact what you said.

LordofHats wrote:Both of you claimed that a field of philosophy in subjective.

No.

Do not try pushing a strawman argument on me if you want to keep this conversation civil.

VERY few things piss me off more than strawman arguments.

asimo77 wrote:So I understand your position: you would say that the models do say something significant and thus are art? Or that being really sweet looking is an art making property?

I'm saying they do nothing significant yet are art. Furthermore, the sweetness of said piece or lack of aforementioned sweetness has no bearing on its arthood.

Melissia wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Both of you claimed that a field of philosophy in subjective.

No.

Do not try pushing a strawman argument on me if you want to keep this conversation civil.

VERY few things piss me off more than strawman arguments.

Really?

Aesthetics is a field of philosophy specializing in the study of art. You claim that the study of art is subjective. You just called philosophy subjective. I've been putting forward the positions of aesthetics this whole discussion and you dismiss them as subjective. This is not a straw man it is what you said.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore... Very few things piss me off more than people saying something and then acting like they never said it.

@ KamikazeCanuck Wait so what does make it art then?


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"I don't want to live on this planet anymore... "

Blasphemy, Holy Terra is the most righteous planet this side of the universe, heretic!

LordofHats wrote:

Melissia wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Both of you claimed that a field of philosophy in subjective.

No.

Do not try pushing a strawman argument on me if you want to keep this conversation civil.

VERY few things piss me off more than strawman arguments.

Really?

Aesthetics is a field of philosophy specializing in the study of art. You claim that the study of art is subjective. You just called philosophy subjective. This is not a straw man it is what you said.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore...

look up association fallacy while your pretending to know about philosophy.

LordofHats wrote:You claim that the study of art is subjective. You just called philosophy subjective

No, jI didn't.

I said art is subjective.

There is nothing else of value to say on this subject. Drop it.

asimo77 wrote:@ KamikazeCanuck Wait so what does make it art then?


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"I don't want to live on this planet anymore... "

Blasphemy, Holy Terra is the most righteous planet this side of the universe, heretic!

I'll get back to you time for me to go home. Seriously, that wasn't a dodge I have to go.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:look up association fallacy while your pretending to know about philosophy.

Look up what an association fallacy is before you throw it around. Then go back through the thread, read your comments, and apply some critical reading skills.

No, jI didn't.

I said art is subjective.

Why do I have to keep going back and quoting people who say things and then act like they never said them?

They're "experts" in a field of subjective study, where one person's art is the next person's trash.

YES. You did. Those experts are in the field of philosophy.

There is nothing else of value to say on this subject. Drop it.

I'ma be stubborn and say no and provide no valid argument for my position.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

asimo77 wrote:@ KamikazeCanuck Wait so what does make it art then?


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"I don't want to live on this planet anymore... "

Blasphemy, Holy Terra is the most righteous planet this side of the universe, heretic!

I'll get back to you time for me to go home. Seriously, that wasn't a dodge I have to go.

I'll be waiting there in your closet with a knife and a textbook on art history


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Nurglitch wrote:http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/

Ok this thread is literally like homework now...

I'm glad I do ethics and not art, so much more simple

You can lie, manipulate, and twist words all you want, but that does not lead to you putting forth a respectable argument or being a respectable poster. I said "art is subjective". That is all I said. I said nothing about philosophy, and your lying, manipulating, and twisting of words to attempt to place such meanings in my posts does you no credit.

Melissia wrote:I said "art is subjective". That is all I said. I said nothing about philosophy, and your lying, manipulating, and twisting of words to attempt to place such meanings in my posts does you no credit.

omg. I have quoted you twice now. Are you really that dense? You get no credit as a respectable poster because you can't even seem to keep track of your own words and what they mean. There is no twisting. I brought up the field of Aesthetics awhile ago, referencing what people in the field have produced. And you responded by saying they are not experts because they are in a field of subjective study. There is nothing to twist manipulate or lie about.

I think what he meant is you're saying "art is subjective" the study of art falls under philosophy which is an objective field.

asimo77 wrote:I think what he meant is you're saying "art is subjective" the study of art falls under philosophy which is an objective field.

No. I'm not even talking about that comment. I'm talking about this one, which I have quoted three times now:

They're "experts" in a field of subjective study, where one person's art is the next person's trash.

I mean come on. This isn't rocket science it doesn't take a page and half to go over what someone has said and what it means. It's right there. How can this possibly be misunderstood as meaning anything else than exactly what says.