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FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
yeah, they do, but they fall under my jurisdiction of 'bad' because they target humans specifically, mainly it would seem, because animals cant catch 'zombie'
"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
yeah, they do, but they fall under my jurisdiction of 'bad' because they target humans specifically, mainly it would seem, because animals cant catch 'zombie'
"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
Antagonist...yeah, but hardly "voluntary antagonist"...if you follow..
Zombies don't choose to be " evil" ( in fact I don't consider them evil at all)...their actions are simply a byproduct of their condition.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Yes, but the same with mentally unstable killers. therefore, while not being 'evil' they are certainly 'bad enemies'
In fact, that is some of the horror of fighting zombies, they have no concept of right or wrong, even animals can get scared off. but zombies have lost all mental abilities besides 'move' and 'eat'
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"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
WARORK93 wrote:
No, Vader was a dark lord for decades, was the ringmaster of Imperial oppression galaxy wide, orchestrated several ethnic cleansings and ruthlessly upheld the Emperor's will in all parts of the Empire...Then he had a change of heart...
Boromir on the other hand, had a moment, a singular moment of mania, and then came to his senses...
The two are similar yes but whereas I'd consider Vader a true villain, Boromir simply didn't rack up a long list of evil things he did before his end...the worst thing he did was unsuccessfully chase a hobbit around the woods for a bit before being given the slip...
You don't need to be evil to be a villain. Just read some Moore.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
yeah. all boromir did was e all brave, strike manly poses, give obsessive forshadowings, give in to said obsession, chase frodo because he wanted the ring, lost frodo, broke down when he realized that he had been a jerk, defended mary and pippen from the big bad black orcs , get shot by said big bad orcs, get shot again, get shot again, acted heroic while getting shot YET AGAIN, got shot a fifth time, then got all apolagetic.
"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
Tali'Zorah: I appreciate what you're doing here, Shepard.
Commander Shepard: Well, I care deeply about the quarian people.
Tali'Zorah: It's good to be back on the Normandy.
Commander Shepard: Let me know if it's too quiet for you to sleep, and I'll find you someplace louder.
Tali'Zorah: Hmm.
Garrus Vakarian: Uh, I was there when you two had your thing, remember? Just get a room and work it out.
Toastedandy wrote:Boromir highlighted the evil and redemption in every mans heart. I though he was the best character in the trilogy.
In general normal men come off as villainous in the trilogy, only being heroic when guided by Maia, Elves, or Numernorean descendants. This was intentional of course, as Tolkien was aping European myths and epics in which men generally do good because their betters want them to for some reason.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
Asherian Command wrote:Nappa is one of the best villians in the Dragon Ball Z abridged ever..
nappa.....he was funny and annoyingly stupid at the same time!
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
"You're an idiot Starscream." The matter of factness to his voice when he says that cracks me up.
Then again he keeps a second in command who constantly tries to kill him.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
MrDwhitey wrote:"You're an idiot Starscream." The matter of factness to his voice when he says that cracks me up.
Then again he keeps a second in command who constantly tries to kill him.
Of course, his myriad failures only serve as an example for how great Megatron is.
Or how inept everyone else is, I don't really pay much attention to the hierachy of the Decepticons.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
kronk wrote:Like G.I.Joe, the target audience was 9-12 year old boys.
How complicated and deep a character was he supposed to be?
VERY!
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Frieza was one of the most dangerous bad guys EVER. This guy blew up a planet just because Super Sayian legend *might* be true. Plus, he had oodles of planets under his control.
Yeah, but Grand Moff Tarkin blew up a planet because he felt like it.
that is better (or worse.)
dont even get me started on Horus or Abbadon...
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"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
so?!?!? that makes almost everyone in my country evil!
I still yell at them.
"The young and foolish seek glory and recognition for their deeds, brother, the experienced and old know that recognition and medals are precisely the same worth as ork gak."
-Avarian Pentus--Deathwatch Apothecary
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
Antagonist...yeah, but hardly "voluntary antagonist"...if you follow..
Zombies don't choose to be " evil" ( in fact I don't consider them evil at all)...their actions are simply a byproduct of their condition.
Antagonists don't have to be evil, in some stories the weather is the main antagonist and I wouldn't call the weather a villain.
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FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
Antagonist...yeah, but hardly "voluntary antagonist"...if you follow..
Zombies don't choose to be " evil" ( in fact I don't consider them evil at all)...their actions are simply a byproduct of their condition.
Antagonists don't have to be evil, in some stories the weather is the main antagonist and I wouldn't call the weather a villain.
Funny you'd mention forces of nature as antagonist MilkDog, as that's basically how I see zombies ( in a sense)...as a "warped force of nature", much like a storm or fire...they don't have any real thought process about the devestation and death they cause...they simply do it...they function outside the perimeters of " good and evil".
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f 
And if you're drinkin' well, you know that you're my friend and I say "I think I'll have myself a beer" 
