Some rumours on Vampire Counts (official pics added to first post)

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**Kroothawk**

ihavetoomuchminis wrote:On the rumour thing, and just to confirm some rumours, my sources (i can't tell wich sources) have told me that:

- a new dual warmachine kit is coming. I suppose it's the rumoured non-black coach black coach and the coven throne. Don't know if it'll give us some shooting attack.

- New cavalry. Don't know if blood knights, black knights, or what....but new. Plastic.

- Several necromancer models (3 or 4). Maybe necromancers will have a more important role?

- New monstruous thing. I assume it's the MI unit.

**-Loki-**

Coven throne? That would be pretty awesome.

**LunaHound**

Mortis Engine for frankenstein army
Coven throne for Lahmias

**Minsc**

I imagine the increase of Necromancer models will either relate to the return of Necromancer lists, or it's because GW is realizing that one-enough model for a unit entry - even a throw-away character - is bad.

But then, they also only released one variety of Cryptek, so who knows!

**reds8n**

Frgt/10 wrote:new info on vamps, all appears to be 100% accurate:

- they are coming January (100% now)
- mortis engine/coven throne (unsure if this is final name) - plastic kit. apparently HUGE. we may be talking arachnarok base for this thing...(edit: thinking a bit more about it, it will probably be a chariot base like the sphinxes; but i think these things will be bigger than your average chariot from what ive heard)
- wraith riders/black knights - confirmed dual plastic cav kit
- monstrous infantry unit (unsure of name) - plastic kit. has option for wings. adding the wings is probably a unit option and may not be a completely separate unit.
- new finecast krell model
- black coach is indeed getting finecasted (damn Harry being right again )

a few of these are just confirmations of info we already have, but at least its more solid.

**-Loki-**

Man you guys are fast. I was about to post this.

Getting edgy for January. Looks like it's then that I'll be picking my counts back up.

**Experiment 626**

As long as I can;
a) play up the Lahmian theme beyond masses of skellies/grave guard
b) have skellies who aren't obscenely over-costed crap.

I'll be having a very happy birthday come January!

My poor VC's have spent the past year gathering dust because skeletons suck so bad in 8th... That and every local high elf player takes a Lv2 w/seerstaff to chuck a 6-dice purple sun 1st turn when playing against any I2 army.

Do we have any idea who's writen this book? Considering they put Kelly's name on the WD update article, I'm hoping that means he's done the book as well...

**Vampirate of Sartosa**

Finecoach? *weeps*

**Mr Morden**

Yeah I want much more Lahmian and less Carnstein

Also would have prefered plastic to resin - oh well :(

Intrigued to see what the Coven throne is all about

**Experiment 626**

Damn, good thing I bought my black coach last year!

I recently ordered a pack of the finecast blasted standards... I could see daylight shinning through the tassles on the Tzeentch icon one, called up mail order to get a replacement, the second version was worse! The horns have great gapping holes all down their sides.

Hate to think what black coach miscasts will look like...

**Aerethan**

The important question is will there be new vampire models? The current selection is terrible.

Other than that, I'm very much looking forward to this, and I may even get a hard copy of the book instead of just a pdf. I love me some VC.

**-Loki-**

Experiment 626 wrote:As long as I can;
a) play up the Lahmian theme beyond masses of skellies/grave guard

I'm hoping they don't go the route of the 6th edition book and limit your selections by bloodlines. It didn't bother me then because there really weren't many choices I liked. But now? I do want to use a Terrorgheist. And the new monstrous infantry sounds interesting. Hopefully it's more you get particular extras if you go with a bloodline rather than limitations.

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Aerethan wrote:The important question is will there be new vampire models? The current selection is terrible.

Well, apparently there's a new Isabella model. But yeah, I wouldn't mind some new vampire models, or even re-releases of the older models. If they gave me the 6th edition Lahmians in Finecast, I'd be very happy, considering there would be 4 of them. And in finecast, it would be much easier to cut the headdress off so I could sculpt on some hair.

**LazzurusMan**

Personally I think the Vampire models or sufficient for now, the winged vampire is okay, and if painted well the aristocratic vamp looks awesome.

We definitely need new models for the black knights, atm they are the only skeleton models in the army that are still out of proportion, if they can fix that, they would be much better.

Zombies could do with maybe a little updating...they look kinda wrong tbh...like the old skeletons with skin...then need to be better proportioned as well.

And I love the sound of having new war machines...the black coach sucks atm :/

**-Loki-**

LazzurusMan wrote:Personally I think the Vampire models or sufficient for now, the winged vampire is okay, and if painted well the aristocratic vamp looks awesome.

Really? There's two current generic vampires. For an army whose entire soul (or lack thereof) comes from its characters, there's a severe lack of non special character vampires.

Sure, you can direct order some of the 6th edition vampires, and some of them are nice (I still like the Lahmian, Necrarch and some of the Blood Dragon vampires from that era), but the Von Carsteins and Strigoi from that era edition is histerically bad.

Giving us another couple of generic vampires from different bloodlines with some different powers (like a Blood Dragon with flight) would be nice.

**efarrer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I tried to take it to PM's, but the Kan just doesn't get it folks. He even tried to argue that only WAAC players liked the old Codex. I mean honestly...

Generic arguments like 'just use counts as' and 'Iron Warriors were too powerful' in no way excuse or justify what was done to the Chaos Codex, and the same applies to the gutted VC list.

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In particular since the Iron Warriors list was basically untouched.

**LazzurusMan**

I agree there aren't enough, but the ones we have are nice, and i too love some of the old 6th ed vamps.

Maybe if they re-did the Lhamian and Blood dragon vamps...or even better do what they've done with other lines like the empire...make a generic vampire plastic kit that can be made into vamps that at least look like they belong to a cirtain bloodline...You watching GW??? I'm not going to say this again! XD

**Sirius42**

Are we talking new fine cast coach or wasting resources on fine casting the crappy old one?

**-Loki-**

Sirius42 wrote:Are we talking new fine cast coach or wasting resources on fine casting the crappy old one?

Old model converted to Finecast.

Honestly, there's nothing really wrong with the old model. New horses would be nice, but the model is still pretty good. Still fits the Von Carstein aesthetic well.

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LazzurusMan wrote:Maybe if they re-did the Lhamian and Blood dragon vamps...

Redo the Lahmians? They're some of the better oldschool vampires. They just need hair rather than that headdress. Some of the Blood Dragons are still good too. Same with Necrarchs. The old Strigoi and von Carsteins though? Terrible.

**Scottywan82**

I would contend that ALL the old vampires are garbage, though Von Carstein is surely the most hideous

**Aerethan**

I agree that a generic vampire multi part plastic kit would be aces.

Currently the only way to kitbash a decent blood dragon is the zombie dragon unhelmeted head and a high elves dragon prince body and whichever legs you fancy.

**-Loki-**

I wouldn't want a generic plastic kit. But if they're going to update the models, I'd prefer they did it in a similar fashion to 6th edition. 2 models for each bloodline, maybe a mounted version as well.

Do them as single frame plastics like the new releases we're getting, with arm options - Blood Dragons would have hand weapon/shield with an alternate arm holding a second hand weapon, for example. Lahmians would have two hand weapons with an option to put a staff instead in one hand. That kind of thing.

**Aerethan**

That's fine. Keep in mind that blood lines technically don't exist, at least rules wise, so there's that.

I'd even be fine with failcost ones if they had different weapon options included.

**Ozymandias**

Since when did something not having its own special rules mean that it ceases to exist in the fluff?

I'd rather not be a slave to the Bloodlines like in the 6th ed book and keep the freedom to create my own vampire like in the 7th ed book.

**Scottywan82**

No Failcast, please! Plastic one pose spruces would be fine though if the quality of the other VC plastic monopose figures are there.

And mounted/on foot combos in plastic would be ace.

**Aerethan**

Ozymandias wrote:Since when did something not having its own special rules mean that it ceases to exist in the fluff?

I'd rather not be a slave to the Bloodlines like in the 6th ed book and keep the freedom to create my own vampire like in the 7th ed book.

I'm just saying that since there is no rules justification, bloodline specific models are unlikely as opposed to generic build vampires. I never said they don't exist in fluff.

Either way, GW needs new vampire models badly.

**Ozymandias**

Eh, the Vampire model with the large wing is still one of my favorites of the entire fantasy range. But I also like the blood dragon with the two handed sword and the necrarch with the skull.

**Kanluwen**

The winged vamp is nice, but it doesn't really help when you want to have a Vampire on foot to match say, your Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon when his poor Dragon(say you've named it Pennyworth or some such) is shot out from under him...

**-Loki-**

That's why I liked the 6th edition method. You had mounted models with a foot model. They were typically equipped the same way. You could grab the mounted vampire, stick it on a zombie dragon, and have a ready done unmounted vampire.

**Kanluwen**

To be fair:
The Ghoul King is easily usable as foot or mounted. If one were to want to field a Ghoul King on Terrorgheist AND a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon, you'd be able to make both a foot and mounted version of the Ghoul King.

For some reason though, they did not make it easy to do that for the Vampire Lord.

**Ozymandias**

Can't you use the torso from the zombie dragon with some sort of armored legs from like an empire knight or something?