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Not if you want something that will look good and not hastily slapped together.

It requires a lot of resculpting to make it work, and I'm currently trying to figure out exactly how best to do it.

Bloodlines were mostly restrictive toward your character choices, and how that impacted your troops. They did not directly restrict your army unless you ran a back-of-the-book list.

Mind, I'm iffy about returning Bloodlines as I figure GW will do it one of two ways:

1) Special Characters. "Oh take [x] Special Character and you're [y] Bloodline". Great, just peachy, after all every Von Carstein army is personally lead by Konrad.

2) Same way Chaos God dedications have been handled (See: Absolutely zero restrictions). As bad as #1 is, this would be even worse. You'll see people take every (competitive) bloodline in a single list that makes no real thematic sense.

Do they actually do the whole 'special characters alter the list' thing in fantasy? I thought that was a 5th edition 40k thing.

"Special characters"? Not that I can think of.
I think Beasts of Chaos has something but with generic characters though.

I can't see them really doing it for Vampires except in the most generic of senses though.

-Loki- wrote:Do they actually do the whole 'special characters alter the list' thing in fantasy? I thought that was a 5th edition 40k thing.

They do.

OnG
WoC
Skaven

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Do they actually do the whole 'special characters alter the list' thing in fantasy? I thought that was a 5th edition 40k thing.

They do.

OnG
WoC
Skaven

Dark Elves

The back of the book Blood line lists were great - very inspriational IMO

Army book is now longer available from GW ( was this morning). Take what you want from this but could be a good sign.

Still on the U.S. site atm.

gilljoy wrote:Army book is now longer available from GW ( was this morning). Take what you want from this but could be a good sign.

Ooh, it has indeed disappeared from the UK site (once you click on it, it says no longer available), but you can still buy it from the US

Flashman wrote:

gilljoy wrote:Army book is now longer available from GW ( was this morning). Take what you want from this but could be a good sign.

Ooh, it has indeed disappeared from the UK site (once you click on it, it says no longer available), but you can still buy it from the US

Apparently no independent retailers can order the book either...

The US site is likely still selling to the general public because they've got a few books left in their warehouse. While the army list itself is only good for another month and a bit, it's not like the hobby sections & background is all of a sudden useless.
There's always those few people too who simply like to collect the book/s and don't mind buying a current book even when it's up for re-do within a month or so... Plus, if they want to play right away, they'll still need the current list!

When I worked at the local GW store though, I would always at least give customers a heads-up though if a newer version was due out within the next couple of months! Some would wait for the new book and just get their basic core + hero, some would thank me for being honest and pick up the 'old' book anyways to have on hand & read through.

Probably the wrong place to ask this, but didn't want to start another thread about it. But when are Wood Elves going to get an update? I have never played Fantasy but I have a few Wood Elves models and the army book, and I gather its one of the oldest and least competitive books in Fantasy, but i'm still interested in starting a proper Wood Elves army soon. But i've not seen any rumours about them getting updated anytime soon..... (also, didn't VC get an release in 7th edition? I'm sure when i was working for my step-dad at the LFGS he ran there was a VC release and that would have been 2009 or 2010...)

rodgers37 wrote:Probably the wrong place to ask this, but didn't want to start another thread about it. But when are Wood Elves going to get an update? I have never played Fantasy but I have a few Wood Elves models and the army book, and I gather its one of the oldest and least competitive books in Fantasy, but i'm still interested in starting a proper Wood Elves army soon. But i've not seen any rumours about them getting updated anytime soon..... (also, didn't VC get an release in 7th edition? I'm sure when i was working for my step-dad at the LFGS he ran there was a VC release and that would have been 2009 or 2010...)

So far there little indication of WE (or Brets, the two oldest books now since ogres and TK moved on) of getting an update any time soon.

-Loki- wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:Maybe if they re-did the Lhamian and Blood dragon vamps...

Redo the Lahmians? They're some of the better oldschool vampires. They just need hair rather than that headdress. Some of the Blood Dragons are still good too. Same with Necrarchs. The old Strigoi and von Carsteins though? Terrible.

By Re-do I mean put them into finecast, or maybe plastic as I went on to say

LazzurusMan wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:Maybe if they re-did the Lhamian and Blood dragon vamps...

Redo the Lahmians? They're some of the better oldschool vampires. They just need hair rather than that headdress. Some of the Blood Dragons are still good too. Same with Necrarchs. The old Strigoi and von Carsteins though? Terrible.

By Re-do I mean put them into finecast, or maybe plastic as I went on to say

Oh, I'd definitely be up for the Lahmians going finecast. It would make it easier to carve that Egyptian headdress off so I could sculpt some hair on them. Not to mention it means that I'll only have to suffer a single metal model (the AoW vampiress).

Ozymandias wrote:Since when did something not having its own special rules mean that it ceases to exist in the fluff?

I'd rather not be a slave to the Bloodlines like in the 6th ed book and keep the freedom to create my own vampire like in the 7th ed book.

A nice compromise would be, like the Ghoul King requirement of the new bat thing, if you had to take one blood line power with your Power points allocation (leaving the other points open) and that would unlock certain things. Citizen Levy/better skellies for Carstiens, upgraded ghouls for Strigoi, Bloodknights being Special choices for Blood Dragons, etc. That way you aren't stuck with a particular set of abilities, but taking one ability would tag you for that bloodline, then open up other options and still allow your remaining points to go however you want. Letting you get a slightly killy Necrach lord, for instance.


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-Loki- wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:Maybe if they re-did the Lhamian and Blood dragon vamps...

Redo the Lahmians? They're some of the better oldschool vampires. They just need hair rather than that headdress. Some of the Blood Dragons are still good too. Same with Necrarchs. The old Strigoi and von Carsteins though? Terrible.

By Re-do I mean put them into finecast, or maybe plastic as I went on to say

Oh, I'd definitely be up for the Lahmians going finecast. It would make it easier to carve that Egyptian headdress off so I could sculpt some hair on them. Not to mention it means that I'll only have to suffer a single metal model (the AoW vampiress).

"Suffer" is a pretty interesting term given that beauty, though.

Nagashek wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Since when did something not having its own special rules mean that it ceases to exist in the fluff?

I'd rather not be a slave to the Bloodlines like in the 6th ed book and keep the freedom to create my own vampire like in the 7th ed book.

A nice compromise would be, like the Ghoul King requirement of the new bat thing, if you had to take one blood line power with your Power points allocation (leaving the other points open) and that would unlock certain things. Citizen Levy/better skellies for Carstiens, upgraded ghouls for Strigoi, Bloodknights being Special choices for Blood Dragons, etc. That way you aren't stuck with a particular set of abilities, but taking one ability would tag you for that bloodline, then open up other options and still allow your remaining points to go however you want. Letting you get a slightly killy Necrach lord, for instance.

That's actually not a bad idea. Which means it's not how its going to work.

Harry wrote:

I'd say the odds of GW releasing the "Empire prostitute" model are fairly slim.

You haven't seen the coven throne yet, have you?

I wish someone in the know would describe these diabolic constructions to us...

Lamian passion wagon.

.... got any juicy rumors about the engine???

Ethereal alter type thing ... with added ghosts.

Yessssssssssssssssssss!

Ghost Engine. I just need some hapless Empire Spirit Hunters equipped by Engineers to stand in front of it...

Kanluwen wrote:Yessssssssssssssssssss!

Ghost Engine. I just need some hapless Empire Spirit Hunters equipped by Engineers to stand in front of it...

Hell yeah. Characters? Necromancers, banshees, wraiths, wights. Troops? Skellingtons. Specials and rares? Ghosts, wights, ghost swarms, ghosts on horses, wights on horses, ghosts on engines.

I am excite.

-Loki- wrote:

Nagashek wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Since when did something not having its own special rules mean that it ceases to exist in the fluff?

I'd rather not be a slave to the Bloodlines like in the 6th ed book and keep the freedom to create my own vampire like in the 7th ed book.

A nice compromise would be, like the Ghoul King requirement of the new bat thing, if you had to take one blood line power with your Power points allocation (leaving the other points open) and that would unlock certain things. Citizen Levy/better skellies for Carstiens, upgraded ghouls for Strigoi, Bloodknights being Special choices for Blood Dragons, etc. That way you aren't stuck with a particular set of abilities, but taking one ability would tag you for that bloodline, then open up other options and still allow your remaining points to go however you want. Letting you get a slightly killy Necrach lord, for instance.

That's actually not a bad idea. Which means it's not how its going to work.

:laughs: Appreciate the vote of confidence. We can hope, can't we?

Kroothawk wrote:

I wish someone in the know would describe these diabolic constructions to us...

Lamian passion wagon.

Awesome.

Though GW's new PG direction will detract from it a bit.

I hope this is a true rumor. January will be exciting for me for the 2nd year in a row, last year it was Dark Eldar. Some of the other rumors I heard is that we are supposed to be getting skeleys with bows and some sort of undead giant. I just hope they don't screw up the main, undead, rules for us.

AzureDeath wrote:Some of the other rumors I heard is that we are supposed to be getting skeleys with bows and some sort of undead giant.

That's the first I've heard of skeleton bowmen. I was under the impression they were staying with TK's for a bit of distinction between the gameplay styles. And IIRC, the monstrous infantry rumour started as 'maybe a giant' but turned into a unit of monstrous infantry with wing options.

AzureDeath wrote:I hope this is a true rumor. January will be exciting for me for the 2nd year in a row, last year it was Dark Eldar. Some of the other rumors I heard is that we are supposed to be getting skeleys with bows and some sort of undead giant. I just hope they don't screw up the main, undead, rules for us.

I'd love to have some missile skellies for my Lahmians, but sadly, I doubt it'll happen since TK's have the monopoly on undead shooting... The undead giant rummors iirc, refer to a supposedly forthcoming hierotitan for our dusty cousins.
Don't expect our basic rules to change either - TK's still got shafted on things like the BSB being near-useless, unstable still being a broken rule that overly nerfs all undead core, death of 'X' model = army crumbles... Our basic rules won't change untill 9th edition sadly.

I just really hope I can again play my Lahmians as they should be played; hordes of skeleton warriors, supported by wights and pretty ladies with my wight kings being represented by 'swains' and a few big gribblies! That coven throne is sounding ace!

While I'm still running Lahmians, with all the new toys we're getting, I hope they don't restrict army lists by blood lines. After all, I want to run a Terrorgeist, and probably this new monstrous infantry. And the wraith riders sound ace.

Harry wrote:I heard we get a couple of nice new girly vampires this time around.

Experiment 626 wrote:

AzureDeath wrote:I hope this is a true rumor. January will be exciting for me for the 2nd year in a row, last year it was Dark Eldar. Some of the other rumors I heard is that we are supposed to be getting skeleys with bows and some sort of undead giant. I just hope they don't screw up the main, undead, rules for us.

I'd love to have some missile skellies for my Lahmians, but sadly, I doubt it'll happen since TK's have the monopoly on undead shooting... The undead giant rummors iirc, refer to a supposedly forthcoming hierotitan for our dusty cousins.
Don't expect our basic rules to change either - TK's still got shafted on things like the BSB being near-useless, unstable still being a broken rule that overly nerfs all undead core, death of 'X' model = army crumbles... Our basic rules won't change untill 9th edition sadly.

I just really hope I can again play my Lahmians as they should be played; hordes of skeleton warriors, supported by wights and pretty ladies with my wight kings being represented by 'swains' and a few big gribblies! That coven throne is sounding ace!

Looking for the same thing really Swains was much fun - even if they did a generic template for the besotted minion

Coldblood666 wrote:I really hope the new cover art is not dominated by orange and yellow like the last two army books...

Dæmon wrote:How about dark red and blueish green tint

Midevil216 wrote:He's refering to the Tomb King and Ogre Kingdoms army books, the last two for 8th ed.

Harry wrote:No, I fancy he is referring to the dark red of the vampire and the bluish green tint of the etherealness on the front cover of the new book.

BramGaunt wrote:New White Dwarf is out on january 7th all around the world.
(...)
I think in this case, as strange as it is, WD and the rest will be released at the same day. Otherwise, yes, january 14th for everything undead =)

So Vampire release 14th January ... I guess.