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BrianDavion wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
I'm bitter because in Fall of CADIA the Imperial Guard didn't receive one model and have barely been mentioned in the other two books.

If Creed was part of the Triumvirate of the Imperium I would have been wholly satisfied. But no, we get an ocdonotsteal Inquisitor instead. At this rate I'd bet money on Yarrick being captured by the Orks in the inevitable Ghaz book and the Imperial Triumvirate will consist of a Sister of Silence, a Black Templar and a Blood Angel commander.

Edit: Beaten to it by Melissia and MoOrdinance, but the point still could do with repeating a million times and it wouldn't be enough.

problem with making creed as part of a trimvirate is they'd have to basicly turn him from a "plug in captain replacement for a command squad" into a super duper stand alone character, in that regard I think if they did an "armageddon triomvirate" Yarrick's a little safer because he can be packed by himself without needing a command squad. that said IG I think GW feels just aren't as character driven as many of the armies out there.

What about giving Creed his own special command squad?

Also Creed isn't really around any more. A valid option would be special catachan veterans that include Sergeant Harker.

 Marmatag wrote:
Yeah it's exactly the same, if you discount new fluff, new rules, and new model(s) (plural for Superia).

The last time we got new minis for Sisters Superior was in third edition. If you mean the Geminae sisters, they're part of the Celestine package so I don't count them as separate from her.

And don't make me fething laugh with the bad joke you made about "new rules". We're still playing basically the same army list we had in third edition, adjusted slightly for the meta (exchange TAC melta/heavy flamer basic infantry for meltaspam dominions because it's all about DPS these days). The addition of adamantium will and a 6+ inv save has changed very little. Where Space Marines are freaking DROWNING in new units-- Centurions, thunderfire cannons, new variants on their tanks, sternguard and vanguard vets, even new weapon types in the form of grav, the list goes on-- we have gotten... still basically nothing.

Perhaps have a rule where he has to take a commadn squad as well. And for lack of character-driven armies, I am slightly confused, do you mean you don't think there are or GW doesn't. Because any army with a leader is character driven. Thea leader is a guy who runs around and does stuff. IG have commanders and Commissars, Eldar have farseers ect., nids have their hive tryants, greenskins had warbosses, ect.

The only thing I'm a bit bitter about is that Sylandri Veilwalker somehow didn't warrant a model and rules despite apparently being directly or indirectly responsible for roughly 50% of the events of the trilogy.

Other than that, I liked it.

A cathartic release for anybody who's feeling bitter:
Gathering Storm: FALL OF MACRAGGE!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720977.page#9258746

CplPunishment wrote:
A cathartic release for anybody who's feeling bitter:
Gathering Storm: FALL OF MACRAGGE!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720977.page#9258746

... you wrote crappy fan fic about Macragge getting exterminatused? umm congrats?

CplPunishment wrote:
A cathartic release for anybody who's feeling bitter:
Gathering Storm: FALL OF MACRAGGE!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720977.page#9258746

fun read

I'm a little puzzled at the books to be honest.

The Yncarne gets a sword and now is unstoppable and can casually swat down a trio of Slaanesh greater Daemons, including one that apparently was hundreds of feet tall and nearly as old as Slaanesh itself. The Ynnari can toss entire armies in to the warp with a wave of their hands. Guilliman ends in hours a guerilla war involving Chaos Space Marines - Ostensibly, his greatest foe.

There's no literary drama. There's never any real question of whether Chaos will win or not. They will not.

Ghorros wrote:
I'm a little puzzled at the books to be honest.

The Yncarne gets a sword and now is unstoppable and can casually swat down a trio of Slaanesh greater Daemons, including one that apparently was hundreds of feet tall and nearly as old as Slaanesh itself. The Ynnari can toss entire armies in to the warp with a wave of their hands. Guilliman ends in hours a guerilla war involving Chaos Space Marines - Ostensibly, his greatest foe.

There's no literary drama. There's never any real question of whether Chaos will win or not. They will not.

with respect Ghorros have you READ the book? GS3 was pretty dramatic, yeah Gulliman manages to turn the tide, but you gotta keep in mind Chaos was like 30 seconds away from total victory when Gulliman was ressurected furthermore his victory was NOT instant. it took an entire month to secure mcragge, which BTW wasn't a "gurilla war" it was pure battle, and fighting was still on going over Ultramar when Gulliman left. Gulliman suffered some pretty major defeats, (including losing his entire fleet, including the Macragge's honor. please note... The Red Cosairs captured a GLORINA CLASS BATTLE BARGE. I'd say that's a pretty big win) yeah we all knew Gulliman was gonna survive in the end but they managed to make it a pretty good read, and there where some tense movements. we got some good looks at Gulliman having some serious issues.

over all I was impressed with GS3 and found it a cut above the useal drek writing in GW codices.

Ghorros wrote:
I'm a little puzzled at the books to be honest.

The Yncarne gets a sword and now is unstoppable and can casually swat down a trio of Slaanesh greater Daemons, including one that apparently was hundreds of feet tall and nearly as old as Slaanesh itself. The Ynnari can toss entire armies in to the warp with a wave of their hands. Guilliman ends in hours a guerilla war involving Chaos Space Marines - Ostensibly, his greatest foe.

There's no literary drama. There's never any real question of whether Chaos will win or not. They will not.

The Ynnari tossed people into the warp from the webway, some of which has passages do lead directly to the Warp.

The whole thing was a dissapointement for me.

half way through Fall of Cadia i stoped reading, because how stupid the plot was...

It should have been called Fall of Cadia Deus Ex Machina edition...

Everything that happens is just so ridiculous and everything boils down to Trollzyn the Pokémon master with his pocket Ultramarines Legionnaires...

IF forteress commander for who knows what as a hunch that Cadia will need them, while on the other hand in the Fluff it is said that Imperials never arrive on time somewhere after receiving distress calls because of the Warp.

here for some reason not only does they arrive on time, but right in the middle of an ennemy fleet during a battle...

If this was possible why in the feth would they all go through the trouble of finding "spots" to jump safely?...

And COMPLETLY BY SHEER DUMB LUCK, they find on their way, ...in the warp..., a Sistas battle ship with Sistas in it that where trapped for who knows how long..., and decide to take them with...

And thats just a portion...

but what irks me the most is that the whole Cadian War was just a fething summarize, the start of the book is litteraly " well gak happened, millions of lifes where lost, planets where destroyed, and Cadia and its Ig's platoons are on their last leg...",...yo fether...where is the rest of the epic battles?, where is the rest of the WHOLE DARN fething CAMPAIGN?!

Where the heck are the other Legions?, for years we've been told that Cadia is so well defended that it will take all of the CSM Legions to take it down, and here you only see Black Legion, so now suddenly they could take the entire Cadian systeme on their own?...

So whats was the point of Abby schemes for all these centuries to try and weave alliances and take dominion over the other legions?...

I won't even start on the Eldar God of Death bullcrap that comes up suddenly from no where, since i have't read the book, and nothing in it compels me to even look at it...

I'm on the fence about Gullible man, honestly if i could have a say in this he would have been my choice for first loyalist primarch, but i think its not the worst choice either.

Now because i din't really follow lately, but whats this bs about new Marines that will be better then actual Marines?..

Did we really need ANOTHER Marines faction?...

Or is iust some baseless rumors?...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Where the heck are the other Legions?, for years we've been told that Cadia is so well defended that it will take all of the CSM Legions to take it down, and here you only see Black Legion, so now suddenly they could take the entire Cadian systeme on their own?...

^This. Cadia is described as this invincible planet who's defenses are 2nd only to Terra and yet it goes on to say how a whopping 750 million defenders lost their lives defending it during the Fall of Cadia. Let that sink in.

GW is trying to convince us that, the 2nd most defended planet in ALL OF THE IMPERIUM has 1/7th the defending population as present day Earth...in a setting where the IG consists of trillions of bodies. During previous wars on Armageddon, countless billions died fighting the ork menance yet we are to believe the planet seated outside the Eye of Terror has a measly 750 million defenders?


Its a massive oversight and one that cannot be defended. Its sh*t writing. Its hard to get immersed in a setting when the scale of these wars is so far off that you cannot even begin to quantify them.

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Where the heck are the other Legions?, for years we've been told that Cadia is so well defended that it will take all of the CSM Legions to take it down, and here you only see Black Legion, so now suddenly they could take the entire Cadian systeme on their own?...

^This. Cadia is described as this invincible planet who's defenses are 2nd only to Terra and yet it goes on to say how a whopping 750 million defenders lost their lives defending it during the Fall of Cadia. Let that sink in.

GW is trying to convince us that, the 2nd most defended planet in ALL OF THE IMPERIUM has 1/7th the defending population as present day Earth...in a setting where the IG consists of trillions of bodies. During previous wars on Armageddon, countless billions died fighting the ork menance yet we are to believe the planet seated outside the Eye of Terror has a measly 750 million defenders?


Its a massive oversight and one that cannot be defended. Its sh*t writing. Its hard to get immersed in a setting when the scale of these wars is so far off that you cannot even begin to quantify them.

you guys did miss that this was a second wave after some apoclyptic scale battles that had already denuded Cadia of most of it's defences yeah?

And Thats the problem

NO WHERE IS A DESCRIPTION OF THIS.

Just a vague and hazy allusion to it, juist like i said in the beginning of my post.

And thats the part thats the most interessting.

If they din't have any idea how to do it, they just needed to write about the events that took place during the EoT campaign 10 years ago, people would have been thrilled about it, i know i would.

Its like reading the Lords of the Rings and the first sentence of the book starts AFTER the Moria mines where it does only says " after going through the mines and batteling Goblins and a Balrog, Gandalf died and the community is on the run..."

BrianDavion wrote:

CplPunishment wrote:
A cathartic release for anybody who's feeling bitter:
Gathering Storm: FALL OF MACRAGGE!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/720977.page#9258746

... you wrote crappy fan fic about Macragge getting exterminatused? umm congrats?

Tear.
Well, at least I didn't charge you 50$ for crappy fiction.

Until GW is willing to let the IOM take some serious loss's no one is going to take the threat seriously. Thus you have a bad guy that no one is afraid of or cares about. Marines will win in the end, somehow, someway. You know the ending. Why bother reading it at all? IMHO they should never h ave advanced the story and left it where it was.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
And Thats the problem

NO WHERE IS A DESCRIPTION OF THIS.

Just a vague and hazy allusion to it, juist like i said in the beginning of my post.

And thats the part thats the most interessting.

If they din't have any idea how to do it, they just needed to write about the events that took place during the EoT campaign 10 years ago, people would have been thrilled about it, i know i would.

Its like reading the Lords of the Rings and the first sentence of the book starts AFTER the Moria mines where it does only says " after going through the mines and batteling Goblins and a Balrog, Gandalf died and the community is on the run..."

We've known the "apocalyptic" bit for how long? It first showed up with the EoT campaign(it's in the Black Crusade codex even). It's the time when the Volscani Cataphracts turn and the massacre of Cadia's governor and his bodyguard on board of their Leviathan at the Tyrok landing fields.

Additionally, they actually went pretty in-depth with it looking back. It's in "Legends of the Dark Millenium: Astra Militarum". The three short stories in there("Last Step Backwards", "Lost Hope", and "The Battle of Tyrok Fields") that detail Creed have him hunting down a Cult that is preparing the way.

There's another one in there, "Bloodlord", where a Black Templar contingent tasked personally by the High Marshal, and some Cadians go after a Khornate Traitor Legionnaire who is also preparing the way within the Cadian Sector with a mass daemonic incursion and defiling a Shrine.

The same goes for that blurb in the second Gathering Storm book about a Genestealer Cult being found on Terra. That links up with the novella "Tempestus", which took place during the build-up to the two "Leviathan" campaign books and has an Inquisitor falling under the influence of something...other on the water planet.

I'd be surprised if there's not more links to be found, but those are the ones I personally know of.

I read through the entire fluff last night.
Barring one or two awesome moments for the Guard (such as the Cadian 8th forming a bayonet line between Celestine and Abbadon and holding the fething line against the 10000+ year old avatar of death and his bodyguard as they tried to reach her) there was very little mention of the Guard at all, beyond "such and such where massacred, such and such fled, such and such held a last desperate defence". Mostly it was all about the Space Marines and how they where doing all these incredible feats, how Cawl was trying to save the pylons, how Trollzyn was using his magic pokeballs to summon yet more legions of marines, hoe Celestine was kicking ass and slaying all these demon princes and going toe-to-toe with Abaddon, etc.
Baring a few mentions of Creed and (briefly before he was killed off) Kell there was no real mention of any Guard characters (in-game or otherwise).

It was really insulting to read actually.