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2019/03/05 16:34:18
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
Or go by the literature. The new primaris marines stand at least a foot over standard marines, there is one who is able to look Bobby in the eye (Bobby doesn't have armor on) which makes him close to 9' tall. Primaris are basically primarch level physicality.
Let's not start this BL-induced exaggeration again. We finally have models that are actually to scale. If Primaris would be nine feet tall, it would mean we would need true-scale Primaris...
Also unsurprisingly, the full kits have been teased as having additional weapon options. Yay probably wanting to pull every one of these apart to kit-bash the good weapons before the end of the year.
Nope they are. Standard human is between 5-6 feet, standard astartes is between 7-8. Standard primaris are 8-9. Same height as Custodes and Ogryn.
No. Normal marines are about seven feet, Primaris and Custodes are about seven and half, eight at most. Ogryns are bigger than that. Look at the art, the Primaris are depicted only a tiny bit taller than normal marines, it is barely noticeable. Just like in the model form they're only tiny bit taller than the new upscaled chaos marines (that's the new 'normal marine' scale.)
Or go by the literature. The new primaris marines stand at least a foot over standard marines, there is one who is able to look Bobby in the eye (Bobby doesn't have armor on) which makes him close to 9' tall. Primaris are basically primarch level physicality.
That makes Primaris really weird then. Makes them seem like they should have been S5 T5
2019/03/05 19:25:26
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
2019/03/05 19:47:21
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
2019/03/05 20:56:02
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
2019/03/05 20:57:38
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So, my question: Primaris are like 8-9 feet tall? And Primaris Scouts? Who can't spot Gregor Kilgane in power armor hiding in the bushes? This is dumb.
7ft - 8ft - 9ft... as far as stealthiness goes its a couple of different problems, but not so crazy. Large animals like elephants have been known to come up on people without being seen.
From a spotting perspective its a geometry problem, angular size. As far as observability go there is no linear relationship to apparent size at a distance. We instead have to base it on angular size.
A 6ft man, appears 3°26' tall at 100ft
A 7ft man, appears 4°0' tall at 100 ft.
An 8ft man appears 4°34' tall at 100ft
An 8ft tall man at 100ft appears as tall as a 7ft tall man at 87ft, and a 6ft tall man at 75ft.
Meaning all other things being equal, a Primaris has to be about 33% further away than a normal sized person to remain as observable. And a regular marine 16% further away to be as observable in this range.
Further out, lets say distances typical in Desert combat, 2624ft (800m).
At that range an 8ft Primaris appears 0°10'29"
A 7ft tall Marine appears 0°9'10"
A 6ft tall man appears 0°7'52"
To remain only as observable as a 6ft tall man at 2624ft, the marine must remain 3060ft away, while a Primaris would have to remain 3494 away.
All this assumes they don't crawl.
Some of these "stealthy" units also use cameleoline cloaks which we can equate to multi-spectrum camouflage. There is no real way to quantify how effective that is.
Even if all that were enough, you would say "but how about noise?" First its important to note noise is a logarithmic scale, so the difference between 40 and 50 db, is a 10 times increase in loudness. Using a conventional car as an analogue. At highway speeds a conventional car can generate 80db.
At the other end of the extreme, the relative quietness of electric vehicles is enough of a danger that they are required to make more noise to be intentionally be observed, at 18mph, producing ~60db; this is the volume of a restaurant with conversations going on and is a standard meant to give the pedestrian enough warning. Its safe to assume we can set that as a base line for immediate observability. 60db is generally the volume a quiet vehicle generates upto when its traveling 30mph. Electric vehicles could otherwise operate in the 40-45db range before hitting the same point; this is the volume of birds chirping or a quiet library. While a space marines power pack can produce a lot of noise, it and their armor is capable of operating in a quiet mode. GW has said a space marine in armor weighs 1000lbs... thats a 1/3 to 1/4 what some electric vehicles weigh, 1/2 to 1/3 the size of some large land mammals. Assuming precise enough motors and servos in the armor, they could operate as quietly if not more quietly. Large animals have been known to sneak up on people a Space Marine wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. Where a person might get fatigued raising and lowering their legs very slowly to not make noise, a marine doesn't have that problem and could be done as second nature.
2019/03/05 21:33:44
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So, my question: Primaris are like 8-9 feet tall? And Primaris Scouts? Who can't spot Gregor Kilgane in power armor hiding in the bushes? This is dumb.
7ft - 8ft - 9ft... as far as stealthiness goes its a couple of different problems, but not so crazy. Large animals like elephants have been known to come up on people without being seen.
From a spotting perspective its a geometry problem, angular size. As far as observability go there is no linear relationship to apparent size at a distance. We instead have to base it on angular size.
A 6ft man, appears 3°26' tall at 100ft
A 7ft man, appears 4°0' tall at 100 ft.
An 8ft man appears 4°34' tall at 100ft
An 8ft tall man at 100ft appears as tall as a 7ft tall man at 87ft, and a 6ft tall man at 75ft.
Meaning all other things being equal, a Primaris has to be about 33% further away than a normal sized person to remain as observable. And a regular marine 16% further away to be as observable in this range.
Further out, lets say distances typical in Desert combat, 2624ft (800m).
At that range an 8ft Primaris appears 0°10'29"
A 7ft tall Marine appears 0°9'10"
A 6ft tall man appears 0°7'52"
To remain only as observable as a 6ft tall man at 2624ft, the marine must remain 3060ft away, while a Primaris would have to remain 3494 away.
All this assumes they don't crawl.
Some of these "stealthy" units also use cameleoline cloaks which we can equate to multi-spectrum camouflage. There is no real way to quantify how effective that is.
Even if all that were enough, you would say "but how about noise?" First its important to note noise is a logarithmic scale, so the difference between 40 and 50 db, is a 10 times increase in loudness. Using a conventional car as an analogue. At highway speeds a conventional car can generate 80db.
At the other end of the extreme, the relative quietness of electric vehicles is enough of a danger that they are required to make more noise to be intentionally be observed, at 18mph, producing ~60db; this is the volume of a restaurant with conversations going on and is a standard meant to give the pedestrian enough warning. Its safe to assume we can set that as a base line for immediate observability. 60db is generally the volume a quiet vehicle generates upto when its traveling 30mph. Electric vehicles could otherwise operate in the 40-45db range before hitting the same point; this is the volume of birds chirping or a quiet library. While a space marines power pack can produce a lot of noise, it and their armor is capable of operating in a quiet mode. GW has said a space marine in armor weighs 1000lbs... thats a 1/3 to 1/4 what some electric vehicles weigh, 1/2 to 1/3 the size of some large land mammals. Assuming precise enough motors and servos in the armor, they could operate as quietly if not more quietly. Large animals have been known to sneak up on people a Space Marine wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. Where a person might get fatigued raising and lowering their legs very slowly to not make noise, a marine doesn't have that problem and could be done as second nature.
Nice work. Seriously, that was pretty cool .
2019/03/05 22:42:28
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
2019/03/05 22:44:31
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
2019/03/05 23:16:06
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
I haven't tried it with Calgar yet, I mostly run White Scars tactics, but I do put a banner and an LT in there. So much fun.
2019/03/06 03:33:20
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Or go by the literature. The new primaris marines stand at least a foot over standard marines, there is one who is able to look Bobby in the eye (Bobby doesn't have armor on) which makes him close to 9' tall. Primaris are basically primarch level physicality.
Wait! Robert can remove his armour? I thought the Gathering Storm fluff hinted that he might be "stuck" in it.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
Mostly young newcomers. It can be a lot more convenient to get started when you can just follow the manual a la Lego.
2019/03/06 06:06:22
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
Good luck running up against IK army with Castellan and Crusader and Galant. Your party bus and all passangers will be dead within 1 turn.
2019/03/06 13:40:42
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
Good luck running up against IK army with Castellan and Crusader and Galant. Your party bus and all passangers will be dead within 1 turn.
That's not really fair, there isn't an army in the vanilla Marine codex that lasts more than two turns against a tournament-tuned IK + loyal 32 list.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
Good luck running up against IK army with Castellan and Crusader and Galant. Your party bus and all passangers will be dead within 1 turn.
I guess, I don't play against people who bring knights, so it doesn't really apply to me.
2019/03/07 18:13:47
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
Good luck running up against IK army with Castellan and Crusader and Galant. Your party bus and all passangers will be dead within 1 turn.
I guess, I don't play against people who bring knights, so it doesn't really apply to me.
Yeah, there is a pretty good way to show your TFG flag at a FLGS. It's to bring in a bunch of Knights.
2019/03/07 18:39:47
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
Eh. I think actual armies of knights get a bad rap due to the crazy performance you can put out of a single knight, and because people tend to conflate "killing things" with "winning the actual game."
Many people would be unsatisfied if they lost 3/4 of their force, the opponent lost only 1/4, but they win 20 victory points to nil.
I always hear "but knights can just target your antitank weapons from your TAC list and kill them right away" and I just have to question how many antitank weapons you actually have and where you are locating them, because pure knight lists do nooot have a ton of dedicated upfront antitank power.
You're probably looking at what, 1 castellan, 2 big knights, and 3 armiger-sized knights in a regular knight list? Unless that's just the pure gunsy knights, they won't be killing more than 1-2 vehicles in the opening turn. You're probably eating 1 big battlecannon, 2 helverins and a castellan, with a total of 9cp to use total.
Assuming he takes the first turn and you've positioned your vehicles in cover or use the cover strat, he's going to kill 1 vehicle and bracket another. If that's all your anti-tank weaponry...boy. That's pretty rough.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/03/07 19:20:54
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
You're probably looking at what, 1 castellan, 2 big knights, and 3 armiger-sized knights in a regular knight list? Unless that's just the pure gunsy knights, they won't be killing more than 1-2 vehicles in the opening turn. You're probably eating 1 big battlecannon, 2 helverins and a castellan, with a total of 9cp to use total.
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Little much. Castellan's are generally not used in straight knight lists due to the tax on using RIS with them. My pure Knight 2K list is 2x Crusaders with RFBC, and Ironstorm, 2x Helverine, and a Warglaive.
2019/03/07 20:13:45
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
You're probably looking at what, 1 castellan, 2 big knights, and 3 armiger-sized knights in a regular knight list? Unless that's just the pure gunsy knights, they won't be killing more than 1-2 vehicles in the opening turn. You're probably eating 1 big battlecannon, 2 helverins and a castellan, with a total of 9cp to use total.
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Little much. Castellan's are generally not used in straight knight lists due to the tax on using RIS with them. My pure Knight 2K list is 2x Crusaders with RFBC, and Ironstorm, 2x Helverine, and a Warglaive.
Oh, that's even less than I thought. I was just estimating 600 for the big guy, 900 for the two mediums at 450 each and 175 for the little dudes.
Yeah, there's no way that kind of a list should be able to ace all your anti-tank before you're able to do anything about them.
In 8th, I feel like I'd be much more likely to refuse a game against an ork all-infantry list or an eldar all-armored list than an all knight list. They're doing the same kind of gimmick - giving up tactical flexibility in order to present a profile to their opponents that invalidates a certain type of weapon. The knights are just doing it with armor while the orks are doing it with infantry.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/03/07 20:40:46
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
I like them, I have used plenty of dark vengence and assault on black reach tac marines and their special weapons mixed in with other normal marines to make squads. same for assault on black reach orc boyz.
10000 points 7000 6000 5000 5000 2000
2019/03/07 20:54:42
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
You're probably looking at what, 1 castellan, 2 big knights, and 3 armiger-sized knights in a regular knight list? Unless that's just the pure gunsy knights, they won't be killing more than 1-2 vehicles in the opening turn. You're probably eating 1 big battlecannon, 2 helverins and a castellan, with a total of 9cp to use total.
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Little much. Castellan's are generally not used in straight knight lists due to the tax on using RIS with them. My pure Knight 2K list is 2x Crusaders with RFBC, and Ironstorm, 2x Helverine, and a Warglaive.
Oh, that's even less than I thought. I was just estimating 600 for the big guy, 900 for the two mediums at 450 each and 175 for the little dudes.
Yeah, there's no way that kind of a list should be able to ace all your anti-tank before you're able to do anything about them.
In 8th, I feel like I'd be much more likely to refuse a game against an ork all-infantry list or an eldar all-armored list than an all knight list. They're doing the same kind of gimmick - giving up tactical flexibility in order to present a profile to their opponents that invalidates a certain type of weapon. The knights are just doing it with armor while the orks are doing it with infantry.
Yep. I specifically play Tanaris and move towards Heirlooms that help me have staying power as well.
Your exactally right. I show up with high armor and 6 models they show up with No armor and 150 models. its a even game when your playing ITC. People rant about Knights being unfair, but when playing ITC, I have to work hard AND get lucky to achieve a score over 30 in most games. How is that the easy button?
2019/03/07 21:07:04
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Ewww.....gross. What is the point of ETB models? Who is clamoring for less variety, less individualism, less options? Who is saying it's too hard to build models?
ETB doesn't bother me in theory, ETB having the terrible weapon options is a different story. Nobody would own Flame Gauntlet Aggressors if they weren't the ETB option.
But, I run them in my white scars all the time with the flamethrowers. It's a lot of fun to shoot fire and then charge the remainder.
You are using flame aggressors, and then your opponent lets you into charge range? Ewwwww.....gross.
Sometimes they can't stop my T9 Repulsor driving up the field to them and dumping out my toasty bois.
This is my strategy too. Load up Calgar, 3 aggressors, a Lt, and a banner, buff it to 9 and drive the party bus where it needs to go
Good luck running up against IK army with Castellan and Crusader and Galant. Your party bus and all passangers will be dead within 1 turn.
I guess, I don't play against people who bring knights, so it doesn't really apply to me.
Yeah, there is a pretty good way to show your TFG flag at a FLGS. It's to bring in a bunch of Knights.
Yeah no thanks, I'll stick to my semi competitive meta as opposed to yours. I'm looking for a game not a competition
2019/03/08 14:03:16
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
fraser1191 wrote: Yeah no thanks, I'll stick to my semi competitive meta as opposed to yours. I'm looking for a game not a competition
Game: a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Competition: an event or contest in which people compete.
Compete: strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
Kinda splitting hairs on the definition.
Drives me crazy how evasive those can be when asked "Are you even trying to win?".
Is it REALLY TFG if someone is fielding an army that is allowed by the rules??
Has anyone written "The Scrub's guide to fairplay in 40k" to give these poor souls guidance to not be TFG?
The good thing about staying on topic here is that unless you are fielding Guilliman you are not pushing all that hard to win playing space marines.
It is interesting Calgar being brought up, since he is now the poster-child for character models to be ported over to Primaris.
We should not avoid buying space marines, only the old non-primaris ones.
Cant wait to see what my BT Emperor's Champion will look like.
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2019/03/08 17:03:56
Subject: Should we all just avoid buying Space Marines?
fraser1191 wrote: Yeah no thanks, I'll stick to my semi competitive meta as opposed to yours. I'm looking for a game not a competition
Game: a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Competition: an event or contest in which people compete.
Compete: strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
Kinda splitting hairs on the definition.
Drives me crazy how evasive those can be when asked "Are you even trying to win?".
Is it REALLY TFG if someone is fielding an army that is allowed by the rules??
Has anyone written "The Scrub's guide to fairplay in 40k" to give these poor souls guidance to not be TFG?
The good thing about staying on topic here is that unless you are fielding Guilliman you are not pushing all that hard to win playing space marines.
It is interesting Calgar being brought up, since he is now the poster-child for character models to be ported over to Primaris.
We should not avoid buying space marines, only the old non-primaris ones.
Cant wait to see what my BT Emperor's Champion will look like.
Yeah because nothing has really captured the iconic feel of the black templars like the Primaris space marine model range so far, am I right? Loads of really great gothic feel in those primaris marines, and they work awesome with the black templars chapter trait too.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
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