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Terrain back in the launch box, huh?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Spearhead:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/

Sounds like it could be a nice, fast way to play. Smaller table, fewer rounds and out of the box. I'm curious how balanced this will turn out however.

“This is one of the most play-tested game we’ve ever produced'' Yeah, GW I believe you

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Spearhead:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/

Sounds like it could be a nice, fast way to play. Smaller table, fewer rounds and out of the box. I'm curious how balanced this will turn out however.

I think if well implemented this is what AoS could have been when it started. The self-contained box part is the only let down. I would rather have a robust and simple ruleset with a few models of your choosing to just have fun in 30 - 45 minutes games.

Curious to give Spearhead a try, seems like something I would enjoy. A bit curious how crowded a 22x30 is going to be with a full two Vanguard sets on it.

I have to say, Spearhead being played on a Warcry board does make me want to give it a try. I really like smaller scale games like that. Hopefully the Spearhead armies from the starter box are decent.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I have to say, Spearhead being played on a Warcry board does make me want to give it a try. I really like smaller scale games like that. Hopefully the Spearhead armies from the starter box are decent.

I think it adds some credence to the idea warcry might go away in my opinion.

Dudeface wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I have to say, Spearhead being played on a Warcry board does make me want to give it a try. I really like smaller scale games like that. Hopefully the Spearhead armies from the starter box are decent.

I think it adds some credence to the idea warcry might go away in my opinion.

Why? Because they both use small board sizes?

It was a 4chan "rumor".

Dudeface wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I have to say, Spearhead being played on a Warcry board does make me want to give it a try. I really like smaller scale games like that. Hopefully the Spearhead armies from the starter box are decent.

I think it adds some credence to the idea warcry might go away in my opinion.

One's a skirmish and warband progression system, the other is basically an intro game out of the box. The only similarity they have is they're on a smaller table.

spearhead is comparable to combat patrol, and warcry is comparable to kill team. kill team hasn't gone anywhere and is still getting regular support. ergo, no reason to think anything would happen to warcry

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Spearhead:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/

Sounds like it could be a nice, fast way to play. Smaller table, fewer rounds and out of the box. I'm curious how balanced this will turn out however.

“This is one of the most play-tested game we’ve ever produced'' Yeah, GW I believe you

Yeah, no doubt!

Though in recent years this bar feels like it has been set so low at GW, they might actually believe this is true?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
spearhead is comparable to combat patrol, and warcry is comparable to kill team. kill team hasn't gone anywhere and is still getting regular support. ergo, no reason to think anything would happen to warcry

Totally agree about the different style of games. You never know what the marketing plan is though. It's possible it gets cut...side games never last forever with GW. I'm a big fan of the game, so I hope it sticks and eventually gets a third edition.

If Warcry gets a new edition, I expect that it'll be more like KT in the sense of it introducing new miniatures and units for the 'big' game rather than bespoke warbands. That shift is already happening to some degree.

Well the focus is going to shift into Aqshy. It's a given it's going to follow the main games current location.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the focus is going to shift into Aqshy. It's a given it's going to follow the main games current location.

Considering that Warcry 2nd ed. became their vehicle for releasing Ghur-themed terrain that could also be used for AOS...it's possible the game gets a third edition to fill the same role for AOS 4th edition in Aqshy.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
spearhead is comparable to combat patrol, and warcry is comparable to kill team. kill team hasn't gone anywhere and is still getting regular support. ergo, no reason to think anything would happen to warcry

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Although it does bring up the question of who's going to be psychotic enough to charge headlong into Ravenek's, the Burning Head or the Purple Sun.

Pretty much anyone with the Mark of Khorne.

Dudeface wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
spearhead is comparable to combat patrol, and warcry is comparable to kill team. kill team hasn't gone anywhere and is still getting regular support. ergo, no reason to think anything would happen to warcry

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

Neither of those is true. The kits aren't being retired and we've just had one set released and the next was announced before it even released. If anything it's too fast.

Dudeface wrote:

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

This one's a bit up in the air still...

None of the warbands listed are actually under Last Chance to Buy. They are still listed, with no LCTB tag, under WarCry itself.




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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

Neither of those is true. The kits aren't being retired and we've just had one set released and the next was announced before it even released. If anything it's too fast.

I'm assuming Dudeface is referring to the fact that Slaves to Darkness is slated to lose basically all of the Warbands in the changeover.

That article is bloody awful in how it's worded. Leaving the AoS range, but would it have killed to add a sentence saying they'll remain in Warcry?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

This one's a bit up in the air still...

None of the warbands listed are actually under Last Chance to Buy. They are still listed, with no LCTB tag, under WarCry itself.




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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Kill team hasn't had a large volume of its kill teams removed from production but has still drastically slowed down releases recently.

Neither of those is true. The kits aren't being retired and we've just had one set released and the next was announced before it even released. If anything it's too fast.

I'm assuming Dudeface is referring to the fact that Slaves to Darkness is slated to lose basically all of the Warbands in the changeover.

Pretty much, their wording was:

Additionally, a number of older Warcry and Warhammer Underworlds warbands for the Slaves to Darkness will go off sale and enter Legends.

I'm not really sure how else to interpret "go off sale".

Go off sale for the Slaves range along with the rules. But stay in Warcry

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Go off sale for the Slaves range along with the rules. But stay in Warcry

So you might say they didn't go off sale then?

Went off sale for the slaves range. If you go on the website right now, you can get both the Iron Golems and Horns of Hashut in stock, with the others just sitting as temp out of stock.

Dudeface wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Go off sale for the Slaves range along with the rules. But stay in Warcry

So you might say they didn't go off sale then?

The S2D boxes come with two units of cultists. The Warcry ones have one, and also their relevant rules cards.

I do wonder sometimes if Warcry and Underworlds will eventually be replaced with a single game.

they're two very different games, so i doubt it. warcry is a skirmish game, but underworlds is a board game/card game hybrid. very different niches there

In theory Underworlds can also at as an outreach game more so than Warcry in terms of bringing in more people.

It's why I'm a bit sad to see its price rising and rising from what I consider a cheap "oh what's that" buy at a game store or book store; into what I consider more of a collectors price for existing gamers.

Going to love being able to kill Endless Spells now.

For my own self-therapy, Purple Sun will get focused fired every chance I get, to heal the wounds of old when it was a bonkers spell.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/02/score-battle-tactics-and-issue-powerful-commands-as-the-flow-of-battle-twists-and-turns-in-spearhead/

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they're two very different games, so i doubt it. warcry is a skirmish game, but underworlds is a board game/card game hybrid. very different niches there

Good point, although I do wonder why GW chose to go with two Underworlds warbands for the Warcry starter. It was quite a contrast to the starter for Kill Team...


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 Overread wrote:
In theory Underworlds can also at as an outreach game more so than Warcry in terms of bringing in more people.

It's why I'm a bit sad to see its price rising and rising from what I consider a cheap "oh what's that" buy at a game store or book store; into what I consider more of a collectors price for existing gamers.

Underworlds games have been rather quiet, here in suffolk. Whats it like in your neck of the woods?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/02/score-battle-tactics-and-issue-powerful-commands-as-the-flow-of-battle-twists-and-turns-in-spearhead/

These seem neat. I am not wild about having to buy two more decks of cards for Spearhead, but the principle is cool. I really hope they create Spearhead forces without boxes in White Dwarf or something. I'd love to see one that is Necromancer-themed for SBGL. Maybe with a Necromancer, 20 Zombies, a Corpse Cart, and 10 Dire Wolves or something along those lines.