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For the Valiant Freeblade we went with:

Quality: Last of their line

Burdens: Obsessed with Vengeance & Impetuous Nature

Reason for the chosen quality and burdens is because the Freeblade is the last survivor of an Ork Waaagh!, which while a bit wasted on this chassis, still works well against large mobs. It can always be swapped out for another quality down the road, but right now the Freeblade was until recently still a Scion-Aspirant, so not as skilled or as experienced yet. Obsessed with Vengeance works really well with a Valiant and only Impetuous Nature would really land the model in a pickle, but some risks should be taken.

That said, people will probably shout that these are terribad trash choices or the like, this is all rule of cool for us.

Justyn wrote:

what's preventing them from being characters for free? ... can't they be your warlord if you wished?

One Knight in a Super-Heavy Detachment with three full size knights can be a character for free. Aux Super Heavy Detachments don't have this ability. You can make it your Warlord, but it wouldn't get a Warlord trait unless you made it a character.

Bizarre question - can you use the undersized/understrengthed rule to bypass that - have one Knight in the Super-Heavy Detachment and make it a character?

Knight unit size is 1. Can't make understrenght unit lower than 1.

 Stormonu wrote:

Justyn wrote:

what's preventing them from being characters for free? ... can't they be your warlord if you wished?

One Knight in a Super-Heavy Detachment with three full size knights can be a character for free. Aux Super Heavy Detachments don't have this ability. You can make it your Warlord, but it wouldn't get a Warlord trait unless you made it a character.

Bizarre question - can you use the undersized/understrengthed rule to bypass that - have one Knight in the Super-Heavy Detachment and make it a character?

No, that's not a rule. The rule (and only applies to aux. support detachment in matched play) applies to understrength units.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Freeblades are still Freeblades in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment. The Freeblade qualities and burdens require only that a Freeblade model be part of a Detachment in a Battle-forged army. Nothing in there about needing to be in a Lance.
Nothing in the Lance rules says anything about Freeblades losing access to the Qualities and Burdens tables either; only that Freeblades which happen to be part of a Lance can’t benefit from a Household Tradition, and so what? They weren’t getting one if you put them in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment anyway.

Freeblade is one of the abilities you get from having an Imperial Knight army - I refer to my previous quote from the Codex.

What quote? The one where you mentioned a subsection heading but didn’t include the content of the subsection?
Because that subsection reads:

Freeblades
The inclusion of a FREEBLADE unit in an IMPERIAL KNIGHTS Detachment does not prevent other units in the Detachment from gaining a Household Tradition. However FREEBLADE units can never themselves benefit from a Household Tradition.

I don’t see how that affects Qualities and Burdens in the slightest…?

My mistake, the Freeblade nominating rules is on a different page.

On the page of gaining knight traditions, freeblades and characters, and I quote "Imperial knights in your army (exculding ones in super-heavy auxiliary detachments) gain the following abilities:



Knight lances

Knight traditions

Freeblades




In the Freeblades section, it says you can goose models in your army to gain the Freeblade keyword, and gain qualities and burdens. This is in the section of bonuses you get for battleforged IK armies (excluding super heavy aux detachment)


It's stupid.

But the freeblades is only for not taking traditions from others. Burdens&qualities is on another page. Thus I lose ability to not be in detachment without removing traditions but the qualities&burdens are on different page thus not affected by that,.

And the rule lost by aux detachment is fairly irrelevant as any armigers you might have alongside freeblade armiger doesn't get tradition anyway

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Freeblades are still Freeblades in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment. The Freeblade qualities and burdens require only that a Freeblade model be part of a Detachment in a Battle-forged army. Nothing in there about needing to be in a Lance.
Nothing in the Lance rules says anything about Freeblades losing access to the Qualities and Burdens tables either; only that Freeblades which happen to be part of a Lance can’t benefit from a Household Tradition, and so what? They weren’t getting one if you put them in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment anyway.

Freeblade is one of the abilities you get from having an Imperial Knight army - I refer to my previous quote from the Codex.

What quote? The one where you mentioned a subsection heading but didn’t include the content of the subsection?
Because that subsection reads:

Freeblades
The inclusion of a FREEBLADE unit in an IMPERIAL KNIGHTS Detachment does not prevent other units in the Detachment from gaining a Household Tradition. However FREEBLADE units can never themselves benefit from a Household Tradition.

I don’t see how that affects Qualities and Burdens in the slightest…?

My mistake, the Freeblade nominating rules is on a different page.

On the page of gaining knight traditions, freeblades and characters, and I quote "Imperial knights in your army (exculding ones in super-heavy auxiliary detachments) gain the following abilities:




Knight lances

Knight traditions

Freeblades




In the Freeblades section, it says you can goose models in your army to gain the Freeblade keyword, and gain qualities and burdens. This is in the section of bonuses you get for battleforged IK armies (excluding super heavy aux detachment)


It's stupid.

Freeblade - keyword, and not an ability

Okay, kindly refrain from quoting massive slabs of text and only replying with a single sentence.

 Eldarain wrote:
Do any third party companies make replacements? Or should we just be scouring bits sellers?

What replacements are you looking for exactly? Spellcrow makes a decent gatling gun.

Here are some interesting replacement arms. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mega-Mechanoid-Claw-with-Arm-Mount/253272999421?hash=item3af83f45fd:g:1qMAAOSwH-daFgch
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mega-Mechanoid-Saw-with-Arm-Mount/253272987646?hash=item3af83f17fe:g:4icAAOSwLYBaFgHE

Limping through the week, ever closer to getting my hands on more massive deth robots piloted by dudes.

Feeling a hint of excite, just hoping orders turns up on Saturday!

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:

Spoiler:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Freeblades are still Freeblades in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment. The Freeblade qualities and burdens require only that a Freeblade model be part of a Detachment in a Battle-forged army. Nothing in there about needing to be in a Lance.
Nothing in the Lance rules says anything about Freeblades losing access to the Qualities and Burdens tables either; only that Freeblades which happen to be part of a Lance can’t benefit from a Household Tradition, and so what? They weren’t getting one if you put them in a Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment anyway.

Freeblade is one of the abilities you get from having an Imperial Knight army - I refer to my previous quote from the Codex.

What quote? The one where you mentioned a subsection heading but didn’t include the content of the subsection?
Because that subsection reads:

Freeblades
The inclusion of a FREEBLADE unit in an IMPERIAL KNIGHTS Detachment does not prevent other units in the Detachment from gaining a Household Tradition. However FREEBLADE units can never themselves benefit from a Household Tradition.

I don’t see how that affects Qualities and Burdens in the slightest…?

My mistake, the Freeblade nominating rules is on a different page.

On the page of gaining knight traditions, freeblades and characters, and I quote "Imperial knights in your army (exculding ones in super-heavy auxiliary detachments) gain the following abilities:


Knight lances

Knight traditions

Freeblades


In the Freeblades section, it says you can goose models in your army to gain the Freeblade keyword, and gain qualities and burdens. This is in the section of bonuses you get for battleforged IK armies (excluding super heavy aux detachment)


It's stupid.

You do realise there are only two abilities on that page? Specifically Knight Lances and Household Traditions. The bit about Freeblades is a sub-heading under Household Traditions, not a separate ability. I also quoted the entire text of that sub-heading above; please go back and re-read it and tell me where/how it even mentions Qualities and Burdens?

Also, the page that tells you about keywords is the one that tells you how to nominate a unit as a Freeblade, not the one that describes lances and traditions. Then the actual Freeblade Qualities and Burdens page tells you how to assign them:

If your army is Battle-forged, then before the battle you can give one FREEBLADE unit in each Detachment Qualities and Burdens.

There; all you need is a detachment (no type specified) in a battleforged army, that contains at least one Freeblade. Heck, it could be the LoW slot in a Supreme Command if you wanted.
I suppose it should be pointed out that an entire Super-Heavy Detachment full of Freeblades would then only have one model with Q&B and no Tradition though it would still be a Lance and one could be a character with a Warlord Trait.

Having read the leaked rules on the adeptus astartes facebook, and that exiled in shame lets you -1 from the 2d6 roll to check to see if you apply burdens, it seems like an auto pick negative trait to me.

Essentially makes you LD10. If you pick the +1LD/W trait, makes you LD11. Heh.

Halandaar - B&C

In case this wasn't already mentioned anywhere, the Armiger Warglaives will be available outside of Forgebane and go up for pre-order this Saturday; same price as Helverins.

Remember guys, once the Codex is released officially, send your clarification requests to the GW 40k FAQ e-mail so that the FAQ that comes out 2 weeks after the Codex can address all of those things.

If things like Armigers not counting for CP, or the stuff you're arguing about now aren't in there, then all of you keyboard warriors aren't doing your job.

Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Having read the leaked rules on the adeptus astartes facebook, and that exiled in shame lets you -1 from the 2d6 roll to check to see if you apply burdens, it seems like an auto pick negative trait to me.

Essentially makes you LD10. If you pick the +1LD/W trait, makes you LD11. Heh.

I would assume that the burden is worded to make it harder to pass leadership, not easier. You may/probably have it backwards?

drbored wrote:
Remember guys, once the Codex is released officially, send your clarification requests to the GW 40k FAQ e-mail so that the FAQ that comes out 2 weeks after the Codex can address all of those things.

If things like Armigers not counting for CP, or the stuff you're arguing about now aren't in there, then all of you keyboard warriors aren't doing your job.

Armigers don't count for CP because there's a rule that specifically prevents them from counting for CP. There's literally no reason for that rule other than to deny CP from SHDs that use Armigers to reach minimum size.

Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

You need at least two more big Knights to have a Household Tradition and a Warlord Trait.

ph34r wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Having read the leaked rules on the adeptus astartes facebook, and that exiled in shame lets you -1 from the 2d6 roll to check to see if you apply burdens, it seems like an auto pick negative trait to me.

Essentially makes you LD10. If you pick the +1LD/W trait, makes you LD11. Heh.

I would assume that the burden is worded to make it harder to pass leadership, not easier. You may/probably have it backwards?

No, it’s definitely subtract one from the roll, and you want to roll under to avoid the burden penalty.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

No, it’s definitely subtract one from the roll, and you want to roll under to avoid the burden penalty.

How does the burden apply before you've failed the roll?

drbored wrote:
Remember guys, once the Codex is released officially, send your clarification requests to the GW 40k FAQ e-mail so that the FAQ that comes out 2 weeks after the Codex can address all of those things.

If things like Armigers not counting for CP, or the stuff you're arguing about now aren't in there, then all of you keyboard warriors aren't doing your job.

When has 2 week faq's have changed rules dramatically?

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

No, it’s definitely subtract one from the roll, and you want to roll under to avoid the burden penalty.

How does the burden apply before you've failed the roll?

It specifically mentions Exiled in Shame as having a negative modifier on the roll.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

You need at least two more big Knights to have a Household Tradition and a Warlord Trait.

No he doesn't. He'll be short on cp but wl and traditions he has.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

No, it’s definitely subtract one from the roll, and you want to roll under to avoid the burden penalty.

How does the burden apply before you've failed the roll?

The modifier isn’t part of the Burden; it’s part of the general burden selection rules that describe how you trigger them. But it only applies for that one specific burden, so we treat it as though it’s part of it as a convenient shorthand. Kinda like how people used to talk about “parry saves” back in 8th edition WFB despite no such thing actually existing.

I’m not even against having 1 knight in a superheavy detachment required for CP but the fact it requires 3 is really poorly thought out and ruins this book for all by fluff play.

Hope

https://imgur.com/a/xtlVzNR

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

You need at least two more big Knights to have a Household Tradition and a Warlord Trait.

Am I reading this wrong or doesn't that just prevent you from getting the CP.

Khadorstompy wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

You need at least two more big Knights to have a Household Tradition and a Warlord Trait.

Am I reading this wrong or doesn't that just prevent you from getting the CP.

You are correct, as you only need 3 big knights if you want the CP for the SHD. You can take a big night and armigers and then choose a knight to be a character etc.

Too bad knight lance doesnt say command benefit changed to +1 cp for each questoris or dominus pattern knight in the detachment.

jearrington wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm thoughts on a list with 1 Knight preceptor and 9 Armigars? 6 Walglaives and 3 Helravins. Take the Dominus Relic and the +1 Invul Save Warlord Trait.

Thinking House Krast works best.

You need at least two more big Knights to have a Household Tradition and a Warlord Trait.

Am I reading this wrong or doesn't that just prevent you from getting the CP.

You are correct, as you only need 3 big knights if you want the CP for the SHD. You can take a big night and armigers and then choose a knight to be a character etc.

Yeah, I keep getting those switched around in my head, sorry.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Too bad knight lance doesnt say command benefit changed to +1 cp for each questoris or dominus pattern knight in the detachment.

Yeah, that would be good. But it would also be nice if Auxiliaries could get a Tradition too. Maybe only if there’s a Lance in the army, and it has to be the same Tradition as the Lance?

This whole CP issue could just be resolved if rather than "3 big knights", a warglaive unit contained a minimum of 2 warglaives.