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I like apoc because I get to use fancy big vehicles that I rarely get to field, like my warhound! Unfortunately, in the last big game someone decided it would be fun to deepstrike a termi with a vortex grenade right onto my warhound's butt. One roll of the die later and poof, no warhound.

Sure big things are targets but I didn't get even one void shield taken down before they wiped it out with a "free" vortex grenade. So my question is, what can be done to make models like this actually worth playing? Granted I took out a land raider and a bunch of dewboys ahead of time but it was no where near the points cost of the model. I wouldn't have minded had it taken a few hits first but one lowsy deepstriking grenade seems, cheap.

What's the point of playing with nice models like this if they don't bring anything to the game except wreckage? I think the rules need to be changed, slightly, perhaps to have void shields prevent teleporting. But until then, anyone know a way to make a titan worth it?

(and it sucks even more that if the titan wasnt destroyed outright, that on my turn the grenade would drift and hit my titan AGAIN!)

To be fair, the titanhammer squad was designed specifically to do what it did to your titan, wipe it out. It is true that getting 1 shotted sucks, but imagine someone playing against a titan with nothing to directly counter it. I've done so and it was only through sheer stupidity on the part of my opponent that I wasn't demolished that game.

Apocalypse is broken, old news. Around here we call it the Book of Lies for a reason.

I've taken a few vortex grenades and they haven't really done anything for me. I think you just got unlucky.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

a titanhammer squad is nothing, imo. sure against a titan its bad news but when you back the titan up with infantry the squad goes down fast. They still have to wait a turn to assault so everyone and their sister can shoot them first. The vortex granade on the other hand is unstopable.

Sure the game system is broke but that doesn't mean there might not be a solution to the present question. I'm thinking something like a half-million guardsman gathered around the beast so that no one can teleport in on him. Any other thoughts? Last I heard, disruptor beacons did not work on deepstrike.

Indeed it would have been smart to put guard around the titan to make sure nobody could get within 6" of it. However if you ever with to move the titan this becomes impractical. As always, there is a counter to everything. Titan counters army, titanhammer squad counters titan, conscripts counter titanhammer squad, orbital bombard counters conscripts. The possibilities are endless. Untill someone takes a warlord titan. Then it's just pretty much over.

mystics?

Banelord counters Warlord...

Sigh.

Apocalypse House Rule:

Exerminatus:
If at the beginning of your turn you have 10% or less of your force on the board, exterminatus is declared and all models remaining (enemy and friendly) are vaporized. The game is a loss for both sides and each player must contemplate on how much time they've just wasted.


Henceforth known as the " yo couch asset."

What happened to you is what Poker Players call a "bad beat." It happens. Sometimes your opponent has outgrageous luck. Lets break down what needed to happen:

1) you opponent had to deepstrike and land close enough to you titan to at least attempt a toss.
2) he had to either hit with the grenade or have a relatively low scatter.
3) He had to roll a 5 or 6 on his D3 for how many structure points your Warhound losses.

I don't know what the odds of all this happening are, but it's not that high. If nothing else, it's only 1 in 3 that he rolls enough Structure points.

part of the charm, good and bad, about apocolypse is that really cool things, things with a one in hundred chance, actually happen. While it sucks that you lost a titan on a fluke shot, your opponent will have a story to tell for years.

Two words: Disruptor Beacon.

This is exactly the sort of thing that is supposed to happen in Apocalypse. You bring a huge stompy Titan and it blows up immediately.

Just have a laugh about it and move on. Next turn it will be your time to use something broken against your opponent and then laugh again.

Apoc is not a real game. It's an event where you show off your collection and socialize while creating humorous and unlikely situations. If you're trying to have a serious and balanced conflict with an opponent then you have picked the wrong venue.

Dude, it's apocalypse, you should have like a million models on your side.

Surround your Titan with models and no one can deep strike within vortex grenade throwing range. It is only a 6" range so it shouldn't be very hard at all.

Yea, between Disruptor Beacons and supporting your titan with infantry, there shouldn't be an issue.
In our big Apoc games we give each side a Vortex Grenade for free, and they never leave the table or dissipate. Why? Because it is fun. Sure, they can eat titans and other super heavies, but so what? It's avoidable after all.

yakface wrote:
Dude, it's apocalypse, you should have like a million models on your side.

Surround your Titan with models and no one can deep strike within vortex grenade throwing range. It is only a 6" range so it shouldn't be very hard at all.

The trouble with this is the 'million model game' with the odd piece of heavy technology is that the big stuff gets wasted on turn one by all the lascannon pointed at it.

Warhounds are nasty, but not nasty enough to deal with 750pts worth of lascannon heavy weapons squads, oblits or the like.

The story sounds odd because the titan died quickly and suddenly, the titanhammer squad is 90% gimic though, there are plenty of better ways to destroy a titan in a single turn, and many of them involve well armed normal infantry in large numbers.

disruptor beacons do not affect deep strike, per gm phone troll and basically everyone around the gaming table. It says it affects reserves but not deep striking termis. Slight difference that could go either way but we diced for it and came up it did not affect them. I appreciate the vote of support from folks on the "one in at least 6 or 7 chance or working." The 5 or 6 on a d6 for damage doesn't matter really since the vortex would undoubtedly drift onto the titan on MY turn and kill it too. I would like to see some rule about no deepstriking through void shields though.

I agree with Orlanth. The titanhammer thing is a gimic. they can't assault first turn so will get blasted long before they get a chance at hitting the titan. easiest way to kill a titan is a couple of autocannon kits on the shields and lascannons on the hull. I would have been fine with this, just not a cheese grenade. They have decent firepower but can't take a hit. That's my big gripe with the apoc warmachine rules. Spend so much and it dies so easy. So why bring something that's not effective? Because this is the only time we can legit field our $400 models.

And yes, the VG story is still being told two weeks after the game and I'm sure it will be around far longer. I just hope to get some revenge this Saturday.

I am some what confused as to what logic says that deep striking terminators are not "reserves". But eh, to each their own.

You definitely want to support a titan with infantry. The 1st time I used my warhound, 3 necron squads veiled next to it. It kept getting weapon destroyed and immobilized so I couldn't shoot back or move away. All the glancing hits eventually added up and destroyed it. But it did kill a baneblade with one shot before it got taken out.

Wehrkind wrote:Yea, between Disruptor Beacons and supporting your titan with infantry, there shouldn't be an issue.
In our big Apoc games we give each side a Vortex Grenade for free, and they never leave the table or dissipate. Why? Because it is fun. Sure, they can eat titans and other super heavies, but so what? It's avoidable after all.

No one must use/spam Lash of Fzorgle where you play.

armus wrote:disruptor beacons do not affect deep strike, per gm phone troll and basically everyone around the gaming table. It says it affects reserves but not deep striking termis.

I've found that if you want to call the Rulez Boyz for rules questions, the exact opposite of what they say is actually the correct answer.

Deep-striking anything is reserves.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Am I the only one to laugh when a vortex grenade ravages my ranks?

I had Ang'grath hit with a vortex grenade. He took 6 wounds. It was epic and congratulated my opponent on his luck with his weird boy's throwing arm.

Apocalypse is for fun, remember that.