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If a unit has Flaming Attacks, do they apply only to their close combat attacks? The new Flamers and Horrors, for example, have Flaming Attacks.

Does the Flames of Tzeentch shooting attack count as a Flaming Attack too?
Do the spells cast by Tzeentch wizards count as Flaming?

The main rulebook doesn't make a distinction between which kind of attacks count as Flaming.

Zoned

the attcks should say wether they are flaming, magical, or both

All of the Flamer's Close combat attacks and ranged attacks are flaming.

Also note that the spells do not constitute attacks so unless the spell description states they are flaming then they are not flaming.

To Arion: It simply says in their profile "Flaming Attacks," just as Shadow Warriors will say "skirmishers." It doesn't specify which kind (hand to hand, shooting, or magical.) The main rulebook doesn't specify either.

To Negative Monkey: Spells don't constitute as attacks? So when I cast a spell and zzap a unit with a magic missile I haven't attacked you?

Is there something I'm missing in the rulebook that says magic spells don't count as attacks?

Zoned

Zoned wrote:

To Negative Monkey: Spells don't constitute as attacks? So when I cast a spell and zzap a unit with a magic missile I haven't attacked you?

Is there something I'm missing in the rulebook that says magic spells don't count as attacks?

Zoned

What you're missing is the fact that the magic missile you're casting has completely separate rules than the unit who casts it. Take fireball for example. The spell says it inflicts D6 S4 flaming hits. Notice that the spell specifies that it is flaming (or in this case the lore specifies that all spells are flaming). So, to determine if your spell is a flaming attack, simply look at the spell you're casting and it will tell you. The rule for the unit applies only to ranged or melee attacks it makes.

To Dakkalad:

The Flames of Tzeentch shooting power doesn't describe the power as being a Flaming Attack. By your logic, even though the Flamers of Tzeentch have Flaming Attacks, their Flames of Tzeentch shooting attacks wouldn't count as Flaming because the power doesn't specifically say so.

That is fine with me too, by the way, so long as everything is consistent. Either Flaming Attacks only count for Hand to Hand, or they counts as Flaming for Shooting and Magical Attacks as well.

Flames of tzeentch is a shooting attack. Flamers have magical attacks. Thus, flames of tzeentch are flaming attacks. Shooting and combat attacks made by flamers are flaming. Magic attacks are NOT necessarily flaming unless the specific spell being cast says they are. Again, FoT is a shooting and not magical attack.

What? How come in one case the description doesn't need to be specific about being a Flaming Attack, but the unit's rules apply (such as the Flames of Tzeentch shooting attacks) and in another the lack of Flaming in the description (Tzeentch spells) overides the unit's special rules? How is that consistent?

Your argument for the Flames of Tzeentch power is essentially this:

P1 Flamers have Flaming Attacks
P2 The Flames of Tzeentch shooting ability is an attack
C The Flames of Tzeentch shooting ability used by a Flamer is a Flaming Attack

So my argument following your template is this:

P1 Horrors have Flaming Attacks
P2 Spells that cause damage are attacks
C Spells cast by Horrors that cause damage are Flaming Attacks

How can you have it one way but not the other?

Zoned

'Cause your P2 is false.

Care to explain why?

Magic missiles aren't a model's attacks, they're spells.

I guess the problem is that an "attack" isn't clearly defined in the rules.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that a magic missile is an attack.

Why is the Flames of Tzeentch shooting ability an attack? The description doesn't use the work attack.

Zoned

The only attacks that are defined in the BRB are shooting and close combat. Magic is Magic and under its own rules. Unless the spell's description states that it is Flaming than it does not count as flaming.

Negativemoney wrote:The only attacks that are defined in the BRB are shooting and close combat. Magic is Magic and under its own rules. Unless the spell's description states that it is Flaming than it does not count as flaming.

Thank you.