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2008/04/22 03:00:35
Subject: space marines characters
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the wording in the space marines codex says "Librarians and Chaplains may be attached to another Character's command squad" on page 21 as the 3rd bullet point under the space marine characters heading. im wondering if that means i could potentially deploy a unit of a commander, a command squad, and an attached librarian and have it count as a single hq choice, could i do that? or would i have to deploy them independently and attach them during the movement phase?
thanks for the help
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2008/04/22 03:08:08
Subject: space marines characters
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rook2887 wrote: im wondering if that means i could potentially deploy a unit of a commander, a command squad, and an attached librarian and have it count as a single hq choice, could i do that?
Yes. You could even add a chaplain to them if you wish.
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2008/04/27 04:09:31
Subject: space marines characters
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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You could even have a Librarian with a command squad that has another Librarian attached to it... or the same thing with Chaplains.
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You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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2008/04/27 06:43:30
Subject: space marines characters
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Sneaky Kommando
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Incorrect. A command squad cannot contain two of the same type of character, regardless of who is technically leading it.
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2008/04/27 07:02:30
Subject: space marines characters
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Executing Exarch
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You sure? I don't have the Marine dex, but last I looked at it, there didn't seem to be any prohibition on that. AB allows it, for what that's worth.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
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2008/04/27 07:42:20
Subject: space marines characters
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No Command Squad may have two of the same character. So, no two Librarians, no two Chaplains, etc.
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2008/04/27 08:06:40
Subject: space marines characters
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Preacher of the Emperor
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From Codex Space Marines:
"Librarians and Chaplains may be attached to another character's Command squad. Only one character OF A GIVEN TYPE may be attached to a single Command squad. The attached character, the squad, and the character leading it are a single HQ choice."
Therefore, each command squad may include 0-1 Librarians, 0-1 Chaplains, and 0-1 Commanders.
Take care,
Mike K.
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2008/04/27 10:12:35
Subject: space marines characters
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PanzerLeader wrote:From Codex Space Marines:
"Librarians and Chaplains may be attached to another character's Command squad. Only one character OF A GIVEN TYPE may be attached to a single Command squad. The attached character, the squad, and the character leading it are a single HQ choice."
Therefore, each command squad may include 0-1 Librarians, 0-1 Chaplains, and 0-1 Commanders.
Take care,
Mike K.
Raw, these words mean that a Chaplain can be attached to a Chaplain's retinue, as they differentiate between a the leading character and the attached character.
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2008/04/27 12:38:19
Subject: space marines characters
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I see what you are saying, but that is some fine hair-splitting by saying that an "attached character" is uniquely different from the "character leading" and so circumventing the "one of a given type." I think in this case the intent behind the rule is sufficiently clear.
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2008/04/27 13:05:05
Subject: space marines characters
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How is it hairsplitting? The entry itself very clearly differentiates between the two:
"The attached character, the squad, and the character leading it..."
That very clearly indicates that 'leading' and 'attached' are not the same thing.
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2008/04/27 15:01:31
Subject: space marines characters
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Dakka Veteran
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question: in the same light as Librarian/cahplain inclusion in command squads, can you attach and independant Tech Marine to the Command squad as well, seeing as hes an independant character?
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2180/07/13 16:16:26
Subject: space marines characters
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Executing Exarch
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I'm with insaniak. It isn't hairsplitting. If you take Chaplain Bob and give him a command squad and attach Chaplain Tim to said command squad, how many Chaplains have you attached to the squad? One.
Storm Lord, can you attach an Eldar Farseer to the Command Squad as well, seeing as he's an independent character? Of course not, because the option is not listed. Is the option to attach a Techmarine listed? If not, then you can't. (You can't.)
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
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2008/04/28 15:51:48
Subject: space marines characters
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The only reason I saked was because I've seen pictures, for example in the current rule book, where the techmarine looks to be within the command squad, and not a seperate unit in that respect
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2008/04/28 15:57:44
Subject: space marines characters
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Stormlord, since a Techmarine is an IC, he can certainly JOIN a command squad during a game. He just can't be attached at deployment or count as a single HQ selection with the command squad.
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2008/04/28 16:01:06
Subject: space marines characters
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Thats what I was trying to get at with the question, maybe I just phrased it badly. Ta
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2008/04/28 17:04:08
Subject: space marines characters
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Executing Exarch
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In that case, yes, of course you can. swize1 is only partially correct, however: the Techmarine can join the squad during deployment, but he has to follow the usual rules for doing so (BGB pg. 81).
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
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2008/04/28 17:55:24
Subject: space marines characters
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Sneaky Kommando
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The confusion probably comes from the fact that before he had his own entry as an elite, the techmarine was bought as an upgrade for a command squad. For some reason GW likes to keep with that old tradition in it's example pictures.
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2008/04/28 18:47:32
Subject: Re:space marines characters
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Yeah, I've thought about the 4 Librarian with FotA with six venerable dreadnought list. I just didn't want to spend the money on an army list I knew would be unusable in a couple years.
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2008/04/29 04:59:00
Subject: space marines characters
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tegeus-Cromis wrote:In that case, yes, of course you can. swize1 is only partially correct, however: the Techmarine can join the squad during deployment, but he has to follow the usual rules for doing so (BGB pg. 81).
How was I only partially correct? Did I in any way suggest that one should not follow the usual rules? 
More seriously, though.. A techmarine actually can never join a command squad during deployment (in the standard missions, anyway), which is why I only mentioned joining during the game. To join an IC to a unit during deployment, it has to be placed in coherency with the squad.. and since Elites deploy before HQs, it can't happen.
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2008/04/29 11:55:30
Subject: space marines characters
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Executing Exarch
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Scions of Mars. 
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
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2008/04/30 01:34:30
Subject: Re:space marines characters
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Sneaky Kommando
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Yumm....two multi-wound models, two power weapons (if not more from vets), and most fun of all: TWO Invulnerable saves in a single squad! 
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2008/04/30 01:35:55
Subject: Re:space marines characters
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Sneaky Kommando
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referring of course to a Commander with iron halo and a chaplain....just in case folks don't follow my meaning.
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2008/04/30 04:32:34
Subject: space marines characters
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Regular Dakkanaut
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tegeus-Cromis wrote:Scions of Mars.
I stand corrected.
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2008/06/01 01:40:41
Subject: space marines characters
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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If you use Scions of Mars you could actully have a Tech-marine Captain with a Libarian and Chaplin attached to it for 1 HQ choice. Plus theres alot better equipment in ye old Armory if you choose it.
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2008/06/01 03:12:41
Subject: space marines characters
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Lieutenant General
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Space_hoppo wrote:If you use Scions of Mars you could actully have a Tech-marine Captain with a Libarian and Chaplin attached to it for 1 HQ choice.
How is that? Although Scion of Mars allows a Techmarine to be taken as an HQ choice, it doesn't give him the ability to take a Command Squad.
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2008/06/01 12:50:40
Subject: space marines characters
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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Have a Librarian and Chaplin with a command squad the as long as the Tech-marine commander has no servitors he can join during deployment. So it can be done. But points wise 3 HQ's for 1 HQ choice costs near 1000 pts (I did a super HQ choice once) so its not very comman.
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1969/12/31 00:00:09
Subject: space marines characters
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Executing Exarch
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Shifting the goalposts. You said: If you use Scions of Mars you could actully have a Tech-marine Captain with a Libarian and Chaplin attached to it for 1 HQ choice.
What you're saying now is a Librarian or Chaplain with a Command Squad, a Chaplain or Librarian attached to that Command Squad, and the Techmarine joining it as an IC. Such an arrangement would be two HQ choices, not one.
Just admit you were wrong. There's no shame.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time.
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2019/01/30 12:18:56
Subject: space marines characters
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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Yeah i know that i was, however we shall see what happens to this HQ rule in the new codex. I dont think that it will be in there for Armies but you never know
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