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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

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 shasolenzabi wrote:
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Sexy!

3" tall?

Almost exactly, yeah.

 TigerMafia wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Spoiler:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
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Sexy!

3" tall?

Almost exactly, yeah.

Thanks for confirming. Much appreciated!

I really like the Rasyat. The pose echos the excellent pose of the original Combi version without being exactly the same, which is cool.

One of the things I always liked about that Rasyat model was that it looked like it was using it's big jetpack as a propulsion device to rush into combat instead of an AD device. There's no rule in the game that really represents that, but it would be cool to see the Rasyat with some kind of "boost" skill that allows for bursts of movement.

Also, I hope we see some new Zerats soon.

He looks like he's bowling...

A few new IA units were shown. Looked like a light power armor unit built for speed and a heavy duty power armor (S5) built for assault.

Biggest thing I think was the new Shas merc that can be used in any vanilla army but can also be taken in SEF and NCA. SEF is expected but NCA seems like a nod to what is going to happen in 2019.

Will PO shed a sectorial?

Apparently Interplanetario is going on right now and really blurry pictures are being thrown around on the internet. Expect better quality official images to be released soon.

A 15mm wargame and a space battle game were not confirmed, but they were listed under ideas Corvus Belli is exploring. Note that Aristeia was also listed as merely an idea before it came to full realization.

I watched the seminar.

I forgot the 2nd biggest news was a new Kurgat with autocannon. Pose is similar to the suryat ML model. So if you take the current BSG kurgat and give it the autocannon you will have two awesome minis.

The Mowang is a big dude with big guns. Could be interesting (the art implies some level of CH, possibly Mimetism, but maybe higher), but IA isn't hurting for heavy hitters. Images are too blurry for me to glean much else from it. But it will obviously be our big, punchy S5 HI. Hopefully it is good (but doesn't obviate the rest of our punchy HI).

I'm waaaaaaaaay more interested in the Daoying. Those legs imply augmentation to its speed (same general artificial leg structure as the Hollow Men) and the name (Mirror Image/Reverse Image/Inverted Image... something along those lines) implies some kind of funky defensive ability (if I had to guess it is Holo2, but I'm hoping it will be something funky like Impersonation). It is really hard to tell if it is HI or not, though. The legs are obviously mechanical, but the upper torso looks like an LI or SK body. I'm kind of hoping it is something lighter since IA is starting to look a bit top heavy and needs some infusion of non-hackable troops in there with a cheaper price tag.

Either way, a lot of the new IA reveals have implied mobility rules, making me think that that may be their "thing". I certainly wouldn't mind an army with a lot of quick-moving and maneuverable hard-hitting troops. So far they have access to AD, likely some forward deployment, and at least two troops that look like they have Climbing Plus as well as a new one that is either rocking at least 6-2 movement and possibly Super Jump. If they have the low-end point support to allow them to actually field good mixes of this stuff then I am expecting to be in love with the IA. But there are still a lot of if's in that, since a list that is only high-end choices without an efficient low-end to support it won't get far.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I watched the seminar.

I forgot the 2nd biggest news was a new Kurgat with autocannon. Pose is similar to the suryat ML model. So if you take the current BSG kurgat and give it the autocannon you will have two awesome minis.

Was there any mention of changes to the Autocannon profile? Because as nice as the model looks I feel like it will just join the existing model on the shelf and never see the table. It obviously didn't get Sapper, which is really too bad. I feel like MAF players have been asking for that since the unit came out in HS.

Also, if you took the Autocannon and put it on the BS Kurgat it would have an autocannon in one hand and a BS in the other. You could try to also swap their right arms, but the BS Kurgat's right arm is connected to his leg, so that might be really difficult. And I'm not sure if the arm swap would look good anyway., since the Kurgat would basically be tilting his head back to look directly into the side of his Autocannon while he makes a weird punching motion with his other arm.

 jake wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I watched the seminar.

I forgot the 2nd biggest news was a new Kurgat with autocannon. Pose is similar to the suryat ML model. So if you take the current BSG kurgat and give it the autocannon you will have two awesome minis.

Was there any mention of changes to the Autocannon profile? Because as nice as the model looks I feel like it will just join the existing model on the shelf and never see the table. It obviously didn't get Sapper, which is really too bad. I feel like MAF players have been asking for that since the unit came out in HS.

No idea as my Spanish is no where near good enough and his Spanglish is hard to hear in a medium quality stream. I hope it gets to join the Haris at the very least. Fingers crossed for a raicho revamp.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 jake wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I watched the seminar.

I forgot the 2nd biggest news was a new Kurgat with autocannon. Pose is similar to the suryat ML model. So if you take the current BSG kurgat and give it the autocannon you will have two awesome minis.

Was there any mention of changes to the Autocannon profile? Because as nice as the model looks I feel like it will just join the existing model on the shelf and never see the table. It obviously didn't get Sapper, which is really too bad. I feel like MAF players have been asking for that since the unit came out in HS.

No idea as my Spanish is no where near good enough and his Spanglish is hard to hear in a medium quality stream. I hope it gets to join the Haris at the very least. Fingers crossed for a raicho revamp.

Yeah, fingers crossed.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 jake wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I watched the seminar.

I forgot the 2nd biggest news was a new Kurgat with autocannon. Pose is similar to the suryat ML model. So if you take the current BSG kurgat and give it the autocannon you will have two awesome minis.

Was there any mention of changes to the Autocannon profile? Because as nice as the model looks I feel like it will just join the existing model on the shelf and never see the table. It obviously didn't get Sapper, which is really too bad. I feel like MAF players have been asking for that since the unit came out in HS.

No idea as my Spanish is no where near good enough and his Spanglish is hard to hear in a medium quality stream. I hope it gets to join the Haris at the very least. Fingers crossed for a raicho revamp.

I doubt it will be able to. Honestly, you're lucky to get a damn resculpt--the Tankhunter Autocannon isn't getting one, despite being the only human piece with it.

I doubt they'll ever let an Autocannon join anything bigger than a Duo. There are some weapons they're clearly not comfortable giving link bonuses too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I doubt it will be able to. Honestly, you're lucky to get a damn resculpt--the Tankhunter Autocannon isn't getting one, despite being the only human piece with it.

I assume the Tankhunter will get one eventually. The 3D Tankhunter models already exist. I think its just a matter of time. I suspect the only reason they haven't done it yet is that they want to focus on other TAK units and the old model is still popular.

I doubt they'll ever let an Autocannon join anything bigger than a Duo. There are some weapons they're clearly not comfortable giving link bonuses too.

I know thats the common argument, but would it actually be a problem? I mean, B3 AP/EXP would be powerful, but it would be on a fragile line infantry unit that would cost 69/2 swc. The Feurbach is available to Thorakite as a 4 model line with Thrasymedes, 2 SMG Thoras and a Feurbach for about the same cost. The weapon isn't as powerful of course, but its on a unit with higher BS and ARM, an arguably more versatile selection of weapons (SMG, Nanopulsar, LRL, and ODD specialist and an extra model. The new Securitate can take a 3 model link with a Feurbach and 2 Combi rifles for just 48/1, and they also have better BS. I know the Autocannon is a more powerful gun, but I don't feel like it would be overpowered in a very fragile and expensive Kurgat Haris.


Some dice calculator numbers:

Thorakite fuerbach link (+3 range) vs Fusilier (-3 range): 82% 1 wound, 72% 2 wounds, 8% both miss, 6% takes 1 wound

Kurgat Autocannon link (+3 range) vs Fusilier (-3 range): 86% 1 wound, 81% 2 wounds, 6% both miss, 7% takes 1 wound

Thorakite fuerbach link (+3 range) vs Orc (-3 range): 81% 1 wound, 64% 2 wounds, 40% 3 wounds, 11% both miss, 8% takes 1 wound

Kurgat Autocannon link (+3 range) vs Orc (-3 range): 81% 1 wound, 75% 2 wounds, 60% 3 wounds, 9% both miss, 10% takes 1 wound

Thorakite fuerbach link (+3 range) vs Squalos (-3 range): 53% 1 wound, 34% 2 wounds, 15% 3 wounds, 6% 4 wounds, 2% 5 wounds, 13% both miss, 34% takes 1 wound, 26% takes 2 wounds

Kurgat Autocannon link (+3 range) vs Squalos (-3 range): 53% 1 wound, 44% 2 wounds, 29% 3 wounds, 17% 4 wounds, 9% 5 wounds, 8% both miss, 39% takes 1 wound, 34% takes 2 wounds


So thats interesting, and not quite what I was expecting. The weapons have about the same effectiveness at inflicting a single wound. The Kurgats are better at inflicting 2 or more wounds, but also more likely to take wounds. I think its important to remember that for about the same cost (and less SWC the Thorakite get an extra model. For less points than either the Nomads can get a full 5 model securitate team with a Feurbach that performs much better than either the Kurgats or Thorakite.


I don't know if any of this indicates that the Kurgat Autocannon should or shouldn't be able to link. Maybe being just a little bit more effective than the linked Feurbach is the cut off point as far as CB is concerned? But something needs to be changed, otherwise the model is going to stay onthe shelf forever.

Edit: It looks like the Tank Hunter Autocannon is MUCH more effective than a full link of Kurgats.

Kurgat Autocannon link (+3 range) vs Squalos (-3 range): 71% 1 wound, 57% 2 wounds, 34% 3 wounds, 16% 4 wounds, 6% 5 wounds, 10% both miss, 19% takes 1 wound, 15% takes 2 wounds

So the Tank Hunter is WAY more likely to inflict 1 or 2 wounds, a little more likely to inflict 3, and slightly less likely to inflict 3 or 5, but WAY less likely to take wounds in return (less than half as likely). So if a single Tankhunter for 34/1.5 can be way more effective than 3 Kurgats for 69/2 I don't see what the problem is.

September release list, all prices are USD MSRP:
Hollow Men(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Set of 4 for $42.99
ALEPH Rebots set of 2 for $33.49
Kazak Spetsnaz--says a boxed set of 3 for $30.99
Cube Jager $13.49
Joan Mobility Armor 2.0 w/ Spitfire $17.99
Rasyat Diplomatic Division $18.99

There's a listing for what might be a new Classified Objectives Deck for $15.49--not sure if we'd heard anything about a new one?

What CB is nervous to add to their game or won't add to their game looks to be barely more than a blind guess in light of what has come this year. Or old CBisms about stuff has been laid to rest by CB.

So really I see nothing that informs me that CB wouldn't make a kurgat autocannon haris. In fact I'd like to see the SWC cost for kurgat haris to disappear.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
What CB is nervous to add to their game or won't add to their game looks to be barely more than a blind guess in light of what has come this year. Or old CBisms about stuff has been laid to rest by CB.

So really I see nothing that informs me that CB wouldn't make a kurgat autocannon haris. In fact I'd like to see the SWC cost for kurgat haris to disappear.

Haris will always cost SWC, unless they change things significantly in November.

 Kanluwen wrote:
September release list, all prices are USD MSRP:
Hollow Men(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Set of 4 for $42.99
ALEPH Rebots set of 2 for $33.49
Kazak Spetsnaz--says a boxed set of 3 for $30.99
Cube Jager $13.49
Joan Mobility Armor 2.0 w/ Spitfire $17.99
Rasyat Diplomatic Division $18.99

There's a listing for what might be a new Classified Objectives Deck for $15.49--not sure if we'd heard anything about a new one?

Do we have renders for the new Joan model?

Yes, but the pictures are garbage right now. Wait a few days.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
What CB is nervous to add to their game or won't add to their game looks to be barely more than a blind guess in light of what has come this year. Or old CBisms about stuff has been laid to rest by CB.

So really I see nothing that informs me that CB wouldn't make a kurgat autocannon haris. In fact I'd like to see the SWC cost for kurgat haris to disappear.

Haris will always cost SWC, unless they change things significantly in November.

Not true. Some units do not pay SWC. Some units pay no additional SWC beyond the weapon they are carrying that costs SWC. Some units do pay a SWC of 0.5. And then there is Morats, who outside of Yaogats who pay no additional SWC and Kornak who pays no SWC, pay 1 SWC for Haris.

So at the very least I would like it dropped down to 0.5 SWC then.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
What CB is nervous to add to their game or won't add to their game looks to be barely more than a blind guess in light of what has come this year. Or old CBisms about stuff has been laid to rest by CB.

So really I see nothing that informs me that CB wouldn't make a kurgat autocannon haris. In fact I'd like to see the SWC cost for kurgat haris to disappear.

Haris will always cost SWC, unless they change things significantly in November.

Not true. Some units do not pay SWC. Some units pay no additional SWC beyond the weapon they are carrying that costs SWC. Some units do pay a SWC of 0.5. And then there is Morats, who outside of Yaogats who pay no additional SWC and Kornak who pays no SWC, pay 1 SWC for Haris.
So at the very least I would like it dropped down to 0.5 SWC then.

More units pay SWC for Haris than don't. Bagh-Mari and ORCs cost .5 SWC, Wildcats cost .5 SWC, Marauders cost a whopping 1 SWC for a Rifle+HFT, so on and so forth.

So because I'm at work and extremely bored and theres no-one else here...

PanO Bagh-Mari .5
ORC .5
YuJ Pheasant .5 (1.5)
Zhanying .5
Ari Mormaer .5 (2.5)
Wulver 1
LoupG .5
Briscard .5
Marauder 1
Haqq Govad .5
Muyib .5
Asawira 0 (2)
Odalisque .5
Sekban 0
Nom Wildcats .5
Massacre .5
Custodier 0 (.5)
Riot .5
Grenzer .5
Hollow .5
Perseus 0
CA Kurgat 1
Kornak 0
Yaogat 0 (.5)
Suryat 1
Samaritan 0
NA2 Brawler .5
Druze 1
Tanko .5
WuMing 0
Domaru .5
Karakuri .5
Musashi .5

You're way more bored than I was.

Damn son. Then we know for sure now that " Haris always pays SWC" is incorrect. Which was my point. Which means Kurgats could still be 0 SWC for Haris. Or inbuilt if the autocannon had Haris (makes sense to me, the support weapon needs support). Or get knocked down to 0.5 SWC. Or stay trash and continue to be 1 SWC.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Damn son. Then we know for sure now that " Haris always pays SWC" is incorrect. Which was my point. Which means Kurgats could still be 0 SWC for Haris. Or inbuilt if the autocannon had Haris (makes sense to me, the support weapon needs support). Or get knocked down to 0.5 SWC. Or stay trash and continue to be 1 SWC.

I'm still standing by my statement--there's way more things paying for it than there are not.

Also, they seem to have been planning to do something like the Spetsnaz for the Kurgat. Support Group might see some more rules down the road--Operative Group seems to get Haris instead.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, they seem to have been planning to do something like the Spetsnaz for the Kurgat. Support Group might see some more rules down the road--Operative Group seems to get Haris instead.

Honestly, Minelayer or Sapper (or both) is about all I can see them doing in a minor revamp. Maybe a LSG or Assault Pistol. (tho neither of those are on the new dossier)

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, they seem to have been planning to do something like the Spetsnaz for the Kurgat. Support Group might see some more rules down the road--Operative Group seems to get Haris instead.

Honestly, Minelayer or Sapper (or both) is about all I can see them doing in a minor revamp. Maybe a LSG or Assault Pistol. (tho neither of those are on the new dossier)

I could see Full Auto TBH.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, they seem to have been planning to do something like the Spetsnaz for the Kurgat. Support Group might see some more rules down the road--Operative Group seems to get Haris instead.

Honestly, Minelayer or Sapper (or both) is about all I can see them doing in a minor revamp. Maybe a LSG or Assault Pistol. (tho neither of those are on the new dossier)

I could see Full Auto TBH.

Full Auto would solve the Kurgat Autocannon issue without doing a link, although if the reason they didn't want to do the link is the +1 burst I'm not sure why Full Auto is more acceptable. Anyway, I'd be happy to see Full Auto on the profile, even if it meant a points hike. At 33 points (a 5 point increase) it would be about as effective as the Tank Hunter at shooting, while trading Camo and better ARM for Engineering. Seems fair.

Trading camo and ARM for engineering I skeptical of it being a good trade. Engineer doesn't help a kurgat autocannon.

If no Haris, then I think Sapper and minelayer for no engineer. Sapper is a combat engineering skill so I think it would at the very least keep with fluff. Then with minelayer it could be a fairly solid defensive position.