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1750 Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - Carapace Armor Looks Cool

0 Command Platoon @ 507 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [137] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour
1 Junior Officer @ [71] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Iron Discipline; Honorifica Imperialis; Close Combat Weapon; Bolter
1 Honorifica Imperialis @ [25] Pts
3 Guardsmen @ [36] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Master Vox-Caster; Lasgun (x3)
1 Standard Bearer @ [11] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour
6 Fire Support Squad @ [125] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun (x3); Autocannon (x3)
0 Sentinel Squadron @ [150] Pts
3 Sentinel @ [150] Pts
Autocannon (x3)
6 Special Weapon Squad @ [95] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun (x3); Sniper Rifle (x3)

4 Hardened Veterans @ 208 Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Vox Caster; Lasgun (x1); Plasmagun (x3); Chimera
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun
1 Chimera @ [98] Pts
Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolters; Hull Heavy Flamer

4 Hardened Veterans @ 208 Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Vox Caster; Lasgun (x1); Plasmagun (x3); Chimera
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun
1 Chimera @ [98] Pts
Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolters; Hull Heavy Flamer

0 Infantry Platoon @ 367 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [107] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour
1 Junior Officer @ [45] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Iron Discipline; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol
4 Guardsmen @ [32] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Grenade Launcher (x4)
9 Infantry Squad @ [130] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Vox Caster; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun
9 Infantry Squad @ [130] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Vox Caster; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Lasgun

9 Armoured Fist @ 199 Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Vox Caster; Lasgun (x8); Flamer
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Cameleoline; Carapace Armour; Laspistol & CCW
1 Chimera @ [98] Pts
Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolters; Hull Heavy Flamer

1 Hellhound @ 123 Pts
Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers; Inferno Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter

1 Hellhound @ 123 Pts
Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers; Inferno Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter

Total Roster Cost: 1735

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Why Camo cloaks and Carapace at the same time? You're just throwing pts. down the drain no matter where the guardsmen are standing.

Voxes, Sgts. and Iron Discipline together? More pts. wasted on redundancy you don't need.

2 LCs and 6 ACs are not going to cut it at 1750.

Sorry, this list is terrible, you have 62 men total. That number might be acceptable at 1000, but not 1750.
As avantgarde said, Carapace is rubbish, Camo cloaks in cover that gives 5+ or better save will equal or better Carapace and is cheaper.
Sniper rifles suck (well, at the moment), that SWS should be 1 Demo charge and 2 flamers for counter assault.
5 Vets in a Chimera? 5 208 points on a unit that should be costing you 80ish points.
So lets see:

9 Units with Carapace = 180 points
5 Vox-Caster = 25 Points
1 Master Vox = 20 points
2 Chimera you don't need = 196 points

Total points wasted = 421 points.

You could get some much needed infantry squads with Lascannons for that.

avantgarde wrote:Why Camo cloaks and Carapace at the same time? You're just throwing pts. down the drain no matter where the guardsmen are standing.

Voxes, Sgts. and Iron Discipline together? More pts. wasted on redundancy you don't need.

2 LCs and 6 ACs are not going to cut it at 1750.

Oh look! Someone's chanelling me!

Yeah, I really don't have anything to add. The Voxes are a complete waste, as are the Sergeant upgrades. You only need HQ bubbles, a Standard Bearer and Iron Discipline to keep your guys in line. Anything more than that is a waste. The list needs way more AT firepower. The Vets are in Chimeras (wha...?), and the list has a pathetic 30 men in it (3 Infantry Squads, including the Armoured Fist). Then there's the three Sentinels mushed into one squdron of easily-reaped VP's.

The list is all over the place, and the two people posting above me (the latter in a similar style to me as well ), have got it right.

BYE

First off, serges come free with the squads, they're not vets.

And if all I do is take lots of guys with heavies, am I supposed to kindly ask my opponent to not take the objectives, or am I supposed to be running across the table, and there by making all those heavies useless anyways?

How long have you played Guard?

BYE

The Imperial Guardsman's Uplifting Primer (Emperor be praised) recommends:

"Lets keep the comments productive and moderate so that we may be better educated to smite the Xenos."

It's a legitimate question:

How long as the OP played Guard?

BYE

Guard shoot the enemy.
Guard shoot the enemies corpse.
Guard shoot his grave.
Guard shoot his next-of-kin.

Dead men don't take objectives.

Capiche?

Excellent.

That's one way of putting it.



BYE

This Army is Bad I'd have to Agree with advent

Your smoking points away

And the Idea of IG is to have alot more men to send to there death. And more to take the Objectives.

In My drop Carapace Army I have at least 100 models or so for 1750.

work on it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:How long have you played Guard?

BYE

Clearly I haven't, thus I asked questions. Wouldn't it have been easier to just say that Guard don't take objectives, they just rely on wiping out the entire opposing force, than posting this? Even Stelek managed that! Though I do like how someone asking this question apparently didn't know every Guard squad comes with a Serge included in it's cost.

So I want mass infantry, no transports, check. Do I really want to give my Vets the Meltaguns then? How do they get them into range without simply dieing from lack of numbers?

Why are Vox Casters bad? They're only 5 pts, and let you reroll a failed LD check. Really seems like a bargain to me. I fail enough LD10 checks on my Necrons to know that that LD9 bubble from the Officers is no sure thing.

I know the Carapace Armor is far from the best option to take but it's a price I'm willing to pay to look cool on the table. The Sniper Team fulfills a similar role. Consider it a self imposed handicap to help balance the game since I'm so good I'd smoke my opponent with any list build purely to win.

Suiciding Melta Vets get dropped in (which, not surprisingly, requires the Drop Troop doctrine). That way you don't have to run them across a field, in or out of a Chimera.

And I think that people saw the Sergeants and thought you had upgraded them to Vets, thus the confusion.

HBMC and Stelek may seem harsh in their advice, but they know what's up.

I would actually recommend that you model the carapace armor as it looks cool - but don't actually play with it as carapace armor. Just play with it as bulky flak armor. Save yourself the points.