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I person, who has actually played for many years now, at my local GW store, said that SoB could not disembark from a rhino if it moved over 6 inches. However, I could find no mention of this in either the 4th ed or 5th ed rule books. In fact, they both seemed to indicated that I could disembark from them, as long as I did not move over 12 inches.

Who is correct here, and could you point me to some page numbers in the 5th ed to support his claim if this is the case (I have yet to finish reading the rules section, just finished characters ). I have been playing for awhile now, but have not played a mech army before. The issue came up the second time I have ever fielded it, so I was kind of lost.

mef989 wrote:I person, who has actually played for many years now, at my local GW store, said that SoB could not disembark from a rhino if it moved over 6 inches. However, I could find no mention of this in either the 4th ed or 5th ed rule books. In fact, they both seemed to indicated that I could disembark from them, as long as I did not move over 12 inches.

Who is correct here, and could you point me to some page numbers in the 5th ed to support his claim if this is the case (I have yet to finish reading the rules section, just finished characters ). I have been playing for awhile now, but have not played a mech army before. The issue came up the second time I have ever fielded it, so I was kind of lost.

Read over the book at my group tonight and got a game in.
When we hit that spot, we scoured the book. We didn't find anything that said you couldn't disembark if it moved 6+ inches. that makes me say you CAN.

If there's something in there, someone please reference a page #, because we did NOT see it in the movement or embarcation/disembarcation section.

Eric

im pretty sure you can i mean ive never seen the rule that states you cant. But with a 12 inch move from the rhino they arnt allowed to do much that turn right?

Rules on disembarking (pg.67) state that if the vehicle has already moved the passengers may disembark but not move any futher that movement phase. The vehicle can't move any further, Disembarked models may shoot & assault as normal.

Also if the vehicle has not yet moved the passengers may disembark, move, shoot & assault normally. The vehicle may also move normally.

Nothing there about how far a vehicle could have moved before or after, only the before or after rules are listed.

in 5th ed a wave serpent can move 24" and disembark its dire avengers... yes... its legal read p. 66 and p.67 no degree of distance is discussed.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... If that's true, then that means I can move a Raider 24", disembark my Wyches 2", fleet d6, then charge 6"-12" (drugs).

Hey Hey Hey!

p.67 also says that units disembarking from a transport count as moving, and may not assault.

...I hate 5th.

on the plus side your raider has a 4+ save from all shooting if it moves more than 12"

Seamus O'Shank wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa... If that's true, then that means I can move a Raider 24", disembark my Wyches 2", fleet d6, then charge 6"-12" (drugs).

Hey Hey Hey!

Red_Lives wrote:in 5th ed a wave serpent can move 24" and disembark its dire avengers... yes... its legal read p. 66 and p.67 no degree of distance is discussed.

Pg 70 states that "passangers may not embark onto or disembark from a fast vehicle if it has moved (or is going to move) flat out in that movement phase."

But yeah, it does seem that fast transports, especially open topped ones are pretty potent in 5th. Ork trukks just got a whole lot shinnier.

Oh and it also says that you may assault if you disembark from an open topped vehicle MY BAD!

So to summarize ... you may only move 12" and disembark no more. and may not assault (unless an open topped vehicle)

Red_Lives wrote:Oh and it also says that you may assault if you disembark from an open topped vehicle MY BAD!

PHEW. I thought I was gonna have to pack up and sell my DE. Ok... 5th is good again!

LOL you are easily satisfied =P

Red_Lives wrote:LOL you are easily satisfied =P

As long as my "uber-Webway-Portal-Raider-full-of-Wyches-assault" isn't tampered with in 5th, I'm a happy camper.

i was also a little confused by this, does that mean that an ork truck can move 24" and have it's passengers disembark and assault?

No i was wrong in my previous statements... P.70 says that a transport vehicle cannot move more than 12" and disembark its passengers.

Red_Lives wrote:No i was wrong in my previous statements... P.70 says that a transport vehicle cannot move more than 12" and disembark its passengers.

Welllll, actually, I think it says a vehicle cannot move flat-out and disembark. But what about a rhino travelling at Cruising speed on a Road for a total of 18" movement, but it's still only moved at Cruising speed..................?! Cause only Fast vehicles can move flat-out............

th12t33n wrote:im pretty sure you can i mean ive never seen the rule that states you cant. But with a 12 inch move from the rhino they arnt allowed to do much that turn right?

They can shoot.

Eric

Let's add another ruffle.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE point out page numbers (whether or not you quote text), because we couldn't find it.

Squad of SM's moves 6" and all manage to be within 2" of an access point.
SM's embark into Rhino.
Rhino takes off & moves 12".
Your SM's have just moved nearly 20" in that movement phase. Add a road and they can go another 6".
Make it an Ork mob in a Trukk painted red and you can add another inch.


Eric

Correct, last of pg 66 "If the vehicle has not moved before its passengers got aboard, it can move as normal."

Daggermaw wrote:i was also a little confused by this, does that mean that an ork truck can move 24" and have it's passengers disembark and assault?

This could only happen is there was some sort of something that destroyed the Trukk, causing a Ramshakle result that ejected the Boyz (in their own movement phase). I can't think of what that something would be, but it wouldn't be a Dangerous Terrain test, since that won't trigger Ramshackle.

MagickalMemories wrote:

th12t33n wrote:im pretty sure you can i mean ive never seen the rule that states you cant. But with a 12 inch move from the rhino they arnt allowed to do much that turn right?

They can shoot.

Eric

I thought that got changed so that passengers can only shoot if the vehicle moves at Combat speed........??

They can only shoot from the vehicle if the vehicle moves at Combat Speed and no other penalties occur. ie like disembarking and shooting then.

Steelmage99 wrote:They can only shoot from the vehicle if the vehicle moves at Combat Speed and no other penalties occur. ie like disembarking and shooting then.

Can you PLEASE post a page reference?

Thanks.

Eric

Oh... and that's not me being confrontational. That's me stressing the "please," as we looked all over for it and could not find it.
Thanks.

p. 66
"(Passengers) may not fire if the vehicle moves at cruising speed (or greater)"

don_mondo wrote:

Welllll, actually, I think it says a vehicle cannot move flat-out and disembark. But what about a rhino travelling at Cruising speed on a Road for a total of 18" movement, but it's still only moved at Cruising speed..................?! Cause only Fast vehicles can move flat-out............

You are correct. Any non-skimmer transport vehicles can move 18" if their entire move is on a road and passengers would still be able to disembark by the RAW.

The question is: is this an over-looked error or intentional?

My Orks embarked on Trukks can move 12" (13" w/RPJ) then disembark then shoot then assault...but they can't just stay on board and fire their guns. Lame.

Yep funny how that works

yakface wrote:

don_mondo wrote:

Welllll, actually, I think it says a vehicle cannot move flat-out and disembark. But what about a rhino travelling at Cruising speed on a Road for a total of 18" movement, but it's still only moved at Cruising speed..................?! Cause only Fast vehicles can move flat-out............

You are correct. Any non-skimmer transport vehicles can move 18" if their entire move is on a road and passengers would still be able to disembark by the RAW.

The question is: is this an over-looked error or intentional?

Dunno, guess we'll have to ask them and find out.