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I have the following:

Daemon Prince
Nurgle Daemon Prince

Blood Thirster
Keeper of Secrets
Great Unclean One

Herald on Jugger

32 Bloodletters (incl. 2 Champs, 2 Musicians, 2 Icons)
42 Daemonettes
21 Plaguebearers

18 Seekers

3 Defilers (sub as Soul Grinders)


What sort of list could you make with this in 5th?

Thanks!

BYE

The Daemonettes are absolutely nasty assault troops. With Initiative 6 and 4 Rending attacks on the charge, I don't see why you wouldn't make them the base of your army.

I know for a fact that taking 5 Monstrous Creatures in a Daemons list can be quite a handful for close combat armies. Shooty armies, not so sure, but with hand to hand becoming more popular in 5th, I'd say the slight decrease in propensity of shooty armies makes that less of a worry.

Hope that helps as a starting point. I don't know a whole ton else about them though, just what I've observed as an opponent of them.

CK

Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:The Daemonettes are absolutely nasty assault troops. With Initiative 6 and 4 Rending attacks on the charge, I don't see why you wouldn't make them the base of your army.

Because they only hit half the time, and they almost always eat it in handfuls especially on the dead turn. Bloodletters are still way better since they can reliably cut down MEQs and hordes.

5 DMCs is a decent build, but I haven't seen it do anything that massed Bloodcrushers couldn't do better.

Something along the line of 3 units of 10 Bloodletters and 2 units of Plaguebearers to camp objectives and drop Icons. Round out with the Bloodthirster and/or KoS plus two walking Princes as heavy hitters. Probably need some Tzeentch for AT.

I would go with the Defilers/Soul Grinders. The big template is nice against horde and the str 10 shot is nice to have around for inevitable landraider or monolith. DP's are good, but I find that the Soulgrinders can be more devestating in both CC and Shooting, so they mesh well in many armies. They are one lucky shot removed from being area terrain, a weakness DP's don't have, but I still have more success in 5th ed with Grinders.

I am not a big fan of daemonettes. They are fast, but they are S3 and T3, with the new consolidate rules in 5th ed, they may kill one unit and then die very quickly when they have to spend a turn in rapid fire range of your enemy,

I'd take 2 plaguebearer units and give them icons. Sit them on an objective, go to ground, and let your enemy waste a lot of firepower to take them down. With the new poison rules, they aren't as bad in a fight as in 4th.

Bloodletters should be the core. I prefer a shootier daemon list, but bloodletters will rip just about anything up in CC and having T4 is a big increase to their survivability over the daemonettes.

Essentially, for 2000 points, this would be my list with what you listed:

HQ: 470
Bloodthirster - 255
Blessing of Khorne

Keeper of Secrets - 215
Gaze

Troops: 802
8 x Bloodletters
8 x Bloodletters
8 x Bloodletters
8 x Bloodletters
8 x Plaguebearers
Icon
8 x Plaguebearers
Icon

Fast: 238
7 x Seekers

7 x Seekers

Heavy: 480
Soulgrinder
Phlegm
Soulgrinder
Phlegm
Soulgrinder
Tongue

You have a few viable drops, depending on your opponent. You can rock a pretty easy mirror list, you can gamble for a shooty then 2nd turn assault list (Thirster, all the grinders, 1 plaguebearer, Keeper, one group of letters or seekers), or even a hammer/anvil approach (Keeper, Plaguebearer, both seekers, Thirster, 2 Grinders) etc etc. Just depends on what you are up against.

Anyway, hope that helps.

FWIW I second Lemurking's list, probably the best of what you can do with the models you posted. I like +1S on my thirster but I think the points are better spent as in this list.

- Salvage

Because they only hit half the time, and they almost always eat it in handfuls especially on the dead turn. Bloodletters are still way better since they can reliably cut down MEQs and hordes.

Sourpuss.

I guess that is true. I hated fighting Bloodletters when I went up against Daemons, and I'd say that as an MEQ player, having an opponent whose troops dominate mine (BT) in one-to-one assault is not fun.

I'll echo everyone else here too in that Bloodcrushers are absolutely nasty. T5, W2, and a 3+/5+ that is immune to ID for only 30 points is an absolute steal. I would definitely recommend 3 fatty squads of them, assuming you want money to burn through your pocket.

CK

Very solid list lemurking. If I was going to change anything (other than adding flamers of tzeentch, bloodcrushers) I would upgrade the Bloodthirster to Skarbrand. If you're going to be using grinders in the assault I find that the rerollable to-hit is absolutely necessary to optimize their fightyness. It'll also synergize well with the Seekers.

I probably wouldn't bother with the final Tongue upgrade either; BS3 doesn't utilize the shot very well and by deep striking in, and with fleeting models, you should be able to assault any vehicles that you need to.

I generally don't use tongue much, but against a monolith, you need it as you can't reliably CC skimmers with only 5 attacks. It would be the grinder I always keep in the second group as it would pretty much just be another CC unit that might pop a vehicle. But I could see taking it out, if you do run into monoliths, you can generally ignore them and go for the phase out, they can only do so much damage.

Skarbrand is a great idea, rerollable hits makes up for the seekers/grinders average WS. I should try this with my own CC list.

Crushers are great, but you need lots of them to be effective. 4 seems to be the minimum you can field them in a squad and not just get shredded by enemy fire. But at 22$ a pop, it makes it hard to acquire such large squads unless you have the cash or just don't care.

The monolith can be hit on a 4+ now

Well, that is better. So just drop tongue and get another phlegm.

Works for me, but I now I know to keep my monoliths back a bit from things with str 10 in CC.