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Okay, I'm diving head first. I wanted to see what everyone else thinks about this Chaos Idea. First, you have to know that I am more of a Khorne person. But since the new codex, that's kinda taken away from me. I dont want to walk away from my loved Chaos army, so a crack at a new one might just help.

Keep in mind that this is the first list I have made for Chaos since the release of thier new dex.

Lash Prince - 155pts
Wings

10x Chaos Marines - 220pts
Meltagun x 2
Rhino -
Extra Armor

10x Chaos Marines - 220pts
Meltagun x 2
Rhino -
Extra Armor

10x Lesser Daemons - 130pts

10x Lesser Daemons - 130pts

8x Raptor Cult - 220pts
2x Flamers
Icon of Chaos Glory
Chapion w/Powerfist

Vindacator - 135pts

Vindacator - 135pts

2x Obliterators - 150pts

Lash forces units out of cover/off objectives for my Raptors who will try and flank. Vindacators rush towards the enemy and force them to shoot it, and maybe blast a shot off or two. Oblits drop for anti-tank. Chaos Marines are more for rushing objectives and tanks. Lesser Daemons help force enemy units off of objectives, and I'm not sure since they dont take a slot on the FOC if they too can claim them. Let me know on that one, but they still serve a purpose. This was kinda an idea to regain my Chaos army, so if it sucks, tell me what to fix. Thanks folks

Heya!
That list looks alright, but with 5th edition Khorne armies are really much more viable. Berserkers can Run, and Land Raiders are much harder to kill, so they're more worth the price tag. Close combat is even more brutal, and the 3+ save helps you survive the return fire. I haven't playtested any of this, but I think Khorne lovers should be really happy with the 5th edition changes.

It's not the 5th changes, but the changes to the codex all together. I played with a Greater Daemon i.e. Bloodthirster, Bloodletters, and Hounds, plus as many Berzerkers as I could field. The lose of the "magic" numbers for chapions and reserve rolls, plus the lose of Daemons split my army. I had a 1500pts, now only about 1100pts.

See where I'm going...lol..

I do think this list is decent. Not great, but not totally weak either. Vidacators will help thin out horde armies, plus MEQ. Lesser Daemons are shock units and come pretty cheap for 10. The Chaos Marines have to get close to bear small arms fire, but pack anti-tank capability. The Prince is what everyone hates to begin with. Lash, and then eyes-roll... Oblits are great since they can target pretty much any unit I need to thin down.

All and all i think it may work. I might just start this army depending on how everyone else reacts to this post.. So help out guys

Well, the CSM squads are decent, and good all rounders.
The vindies are worth their weight in gold.
Dunno if obliterators are any good with the new cover rules.
The raptors are a solid choice.
I use Daemons in my Nurgle list to tie down enemy units just before I hit their lines (basically to minimise the short range firepower the enemy has).

Lash Prince...well, it's cheap, it's hard, it's tactically invaluable. But I don't like it much.

Not many people like the Lash Prince. But I only took one so people wouldn't complain too badly. I'm still wondering if the Lesser Daemons can claim objectives or not. Would really boost my interest in making this list.

Why wouldn't they be able to take objectives? They don't take a force organisation slot, but they are still infantry and a troops choice.

not bad mate not bad at all, id just recomend that you should ad in a few more powers on your lash prince, just to pack some more punch

BDA

I'd put Icons of Chaos Glory on both of your CSM squads for a little extra sticking power if you fail an easy test to shooting or are getting whomped on in CC.

With the new template rules... i just dont see the 24" pie plate working all that well... infact with a high roll and a bad scatter, your tank will eat the blast pretty easy these days. Just my .02 on that.

Oblits in cover are just plain sick.

If a lascannon, typically a complete murderer of Oblits, fires at them and gets a wound... you say, "GOING TO GROUND!" Most of the time, they will happily make a 3+inv and be alive and kicking.

Demons rock for holding/taking objectives.

If a lascannon, typically a complete murderer of Oblits, fires at them and gets a wound... you say, "GOING TO GROUND!" Most of the time, they will happily make a 3+inv and be alive and kicking.

But then next round, they can do nothing. Is it worth it? Not really.

IAmTheWalrus wrote:I'd put Icons of Chaos Glory on both of your CSM squads for a little extra sticking power if you fail an easy test to shooting or are getting whomped on in CC.

What he said.

Two vindicators helps alleviate that people want to shoot them, early on. A bit of target saturation. I'd take daemonic possession and suffer the extra 1" scatter that'll result 2/3rd of the time. That's 50 points to find, though.

I'm not in love with extra armour on Rhinos in 5e, but others may have done more roadtests and disagree.

Remember that the Lash prince can use the Lash to bunch up the enemy squad out in the open then hit it with the Vindi, vaporizing them.

Evil, evil combo

Thanks for the input guys. I'm thinking about dropping the Marine squads down to 8 man with just one meltagun, andgiving them an Icon for the lesser daemons.

I haven't play tested Rhinos with Extra Armor yet. If anyone thinks they are worth the points, or not, let me know.

I kinda like the new blast rules now for the Vindacator. Now I dont roll a 3+ and then 2D6. I roll 2D6 and subtract 4 from the distance. I believe this is a step up for a S10, AP2 large blast. Also, they give the other player something to shoot at other then my Rhinos and Prince. It's a big target that left unchecked will cause some damage.

At 15 points it isn't as worth it in 5ed. I'm even wondering if I should pay 5 points for it on my loyalist rhinos (old habits die hard I guess).

For one, stuns are not as prevailent as they were in 4ed (1 in 6 chance on every damage roll, period). For two, it only really helps in the first two turns, where you will have smoke and/or cover saves. For three, if rhino does get stunned, you can always get out and run if movement is absolutely essential. Finally, for your list, those 30 points gets you Icons of Glory and IIRC dozer blades for the vindis (worth having imho, although maybe they come standard now)

Also, i think you are mistaken on how the demolisher cannon used to work but it is true that when moving the demolisher is actually a bit more accurate under the new rules.

No, I'm sure about the Demolisher cannon.. Sit still and fire, needing a 3+ to hit, then roll D6 for scatter, or move and roll 3+ to hit, rolling 2D6 for scatter.

Indirect fire is always on 2D6, but the Demolisher doesn't use that. So if it sits still, it had a better scatter then if it moved.

I always move my tanks. There is really no point in letting them sit still if they only have one main weapon anyway.

Okay, so was looking back over the list, decided to switch some things up.

Here is the new list with a little extra added thanks to the comments of my fellow dakites

Lash Prince - 155pts

6x Chosen - 118pts
Chaos Glory

7x Chaos Marines - 215pts
Meltagun
Champion w/Powerfist
Chaos Glory
- Rhino

7x Chaos Marines - 215pts
Meltagun
Champion w/Powerfist
Chaos Glory
- Rhino

10x Lesser Daemons - 130pts

10x Lesser Daemons - 130pts

9x Raptor Cult - 260pts
2x Flamers
Champion w/Powerfist
Chaos Glory

Vindacator - 135pts

Vindacator - 135pts

Okay, so I dropped the Oblit cult, took away the Extra Armor on the Rhinos, dropped the Chaos Marines down to 8x man squad, added a champion with Powerfist, and made the Raptors a 10man squad. This gave me room for the Chosen, who carry a icon also. Now every unit can summon the lesser daemons. Prince with lash seems a little stronger now, since he can pull a unit closer to my chosen. I like this list a little better then the first. I know I give up some anti-armor, but I gain more models and another unit that adds more to the whole army.

Let me know where to go. I'm getting really excited about this army. I might even start a blog on the painting of them.

No, I'm sure about the Demolisher cannon.. Sit still and fire, needing a 3+ to hit, then roll D6 for scatter, or move and roll 3+ to hit, rolling 2D6 for scatter.

You don't roll to hit using BS for Ord in 4ed, so no hitting on 3+ (it is more like 5+ using the scatter dice). You also didn't roll 2d6 and take the total when moving and shooting in 4ed either (it was 2D6, take the highest result). Moot point now I guess with 5ed released.

Also think the new list is worse, mostly cause of the wasted points on the chosen. I'd lose the chosen and some daemons and get the oblits back in there at the very least. Perosnally would rather see 2x specials in those rhino squads (you're a fellow salamander player, you know how much better two is then one)

Okay, I'll look back over the list and see what changes I should make. At the least, I do want one squad of Daemons to shock with.