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2014/10/07 11:12:16
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
AdeptSister wrote: I just want games that aren't so embarrassing to play due to their usage of women characters and design. Or that cling to certain image of their audience. I also like personalization of my PCs when appropriate.
But I would love to get to the time when feminism stops being used as a four letter word. Being as gamer and a feminist is not mutually exclusive. It's not "censorship" to ask for something new or ask for your hobby to be more inclusive. Why is this so vilified? Does removing sexualization really hurt a game experience for some people?
Well you have the choice of not playing that types of games, just like I choose to not play games that requires Origin.
Being inclusive isn't being vilified from what ive observed, its what comes next that is the hypocritical double standard that people react to, Its the claims of wanting equality but then demanding special treatment for female characters in the next breath, finally culminating in total oppression of female charactisation in appearance, personality followed by the constant denial of the gaming industry is improving. And this is the same pattern every single time this issue crops up.
Like all media gaming is not exempt from exaggeration, just like the worst soap show imaginable to the humblest of documentaries they are all exaggerated to make them more intresting.
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2014/10/07 13:08:10
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
^This is really an attractive woman. I find this more attractive than the one below.. The one above seems realistic and more well.... Beautiful and attractive.
Spoiler:
I think that is fair, but getting rid of all of it is kind of eh.... Not realistic.
I complain of the people who want to push their ideology and that there is only one way to think which is what I currently see.
There are multiple ways of thinking and just ignoring it won't help.
(I'm mostly looking at third wave feminists) Melissia you are not a third wave feminist. You don't hate men, you don't go on tumblr and get insulted by stuff, you don't want certain things that they want....
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2014/10/07 13:20:52
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Frankenberry wrote: Demanding that other people spend their time and their money satisfying your requirements is completely reasonable. Right.
Yeah, usually that is something companies try to do, satisfy their customers requirements .
Kojiro wrote: Out of curiosity, what do people think of male armour that clearly has pecs? Like say Cadians or even SW storm troopers? Is it as wrong as the female boob plate?
That is not the equivalent. The equivalent is nipple armor. It is pretty ridiculous, but also very rare. Since it is not prevalent at all, it is not really a problem.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 13:22:26
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Frankenberry wrote: Demanding that other people spend their time and their money satisfying your requirements is completely reasonable. Right.
Yeah, usually that is something companies try to do, satisfy their customers requirements .
Kojiro wrote: Out of curiosity, what do people think of male armour that clearly has pecs? Like say Cadians or even SW storm troopers? Is it as wrong as the female boob plate?
That is not the equivalent. The equivalent is nipple armor. It is pretty ridiculous, but also very rare. Since it is not prevalent at all, it is not really a problem.
Batman and Robin Movies George in the Jungle Thor Captain America The Avengers Iron Man Thor the DarkWorld Basically any scene where the male takes off his shirt is pandering to the female audience.
They do exist and they exist in film. Some games also do this. And I say there should be more of them.
Sexualization is a good thing, because repressing sexual wants or needs is a horrible thing to do to male or female bodies.
So Sexualization is fine, just not all the time.
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2014/10/07 13:41:11
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
I've always thought that sexulization is fine, but objectifying or limiting a person based on sexulazation is the bad part. It's perfectly fine for someone to be sexy, as long as that is not their only quality.
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2014/10/07 13:43:29
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Asherian Command wrote: Batman and Robin Movies
George in the Jungle
Thor
Captain America
The Avengers
Iron Man
Thor the DarkWorld
As far as I can say, only the first one has an example of nipple armor. But OH DAMN WHAT A NIPPLE ARMOR IT IS!
That was pretty awesome.
Asherian Command wrote: Basically any scene where the male takes off his shirt is pandering to the female audience.
Any blockbuster. Wrong cops have both male and female character taking off their shirts with neither being meant as titillating for the audience, for instance. Yes, I watch weird movies, and I am fully assuming of it .
Asherian Command wrote: Sexualization is a good thing, because repressing sexual wants or needs is a horrible thing to do to male or female bodies.
So Sexualization is fine, just not all the time.
This is what I have already said a bunch of times in this thread, yes .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 13:47:16
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Asherian Command wrote: Batman and Robin Movies
George in the Jungle
Thor
Captain America
The Avengers
Iron Man
Thor the DarkWorld
As far as I can say, only the first one has an example of nipple armor. But OH DAMN WHAT A NIPPLE ARMOR IT IS!
That was pretty awesome.
Asherian Command wrote: Basically any scene where the male takes off his shirt is pandering to the female audience.
Any blockbuster. Wrong cops have both male and female character taking off their shirts with neither being meant as titillating for the audience, for instance. Yes, I watch weird movies, and I am fully assuming of it .
Asherian Command wrote: Sexualization is a good thing, because repressing sexual wants or needs is a horrible thing to do to male or female bodies.
So Sexualization is fine, just not all the time.
This is what I have already said a bunch of times in this thread, yes .
Example of female pandering
There is no use to having this scene in this movie. But they still have it.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/10/07 13:47:34
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Bishop F Gantry wrote: the hypocritical double standard that people react to, Its the claims of wanting equality but then demanding special treatment
There's no demanding of special treatment here. Stop making gak up.
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2014/10/07 14:01:45
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
There is no use to having this scene in this movie. But they still have it.
Is he wearing armor? No? Then it is not an example of nipple armor.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 14:07:30
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Yes, but he quoted me talking about nipple armor. Twice. And both time he ignored the armor part .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 14:18:04
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
You made your position on pandering pretty clear too, at least a dozen of times.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 14:46:07
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Yes, but nipple armor was at least a slightly new topic…
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 14:54:59
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
So someone thought while making armor that the nipples need space? I mean people are not naked underneath the armor they usually have several layers underneath a platemail armor or anything, infact most games forget this.
Heavy armor is several layers of armor not just one.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/10/07 15:03:34
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 15:03:45
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
I was looking at a game set in Rome and it had the peck and ab armor. The very first thing I though was that there is no way they are really his abs. It's just kind of a little silly when you think about it. Like one of those shirts that has the hot body picture.
In an environment were you have peck ab armor, I think it's much more forgiving to have boob ab armor. It fits in better.
2014/10/07 15:05:30
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
So someone thought while making armor that the nipples need space? I mean people are not naked underneath the armor they usually have several layers underneath a platemail armor or anything, infact most games forget this.
Heavy armor is several layers of armor not just one.
Yeah, there's usually a layer of chaimail under the plate. And a shirt under that, because wearing chainmail against bare skin is just asking for chafing.
I mean, Red Sonya shouldn't have any skin left on her...though that may be why she is known as Red Sonya.
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2014/10/07 15:06:01
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Muscle armor, and even more nipple armor, has the armor sculpted to represent the thing, of course. It should be obvious. Muscle move. A lot. Metal plaque does not.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/10/07 15:14:30
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
I muse that someone who wears armor that makes it look like they are hot and naked might have some kind of thing about the way they look. Like they might be very vain or are very concerned with the idea of masculinity/femininity.
2014/10/07 15:15:14
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Even a lot of plastic/plasteel/whatever this armor is supposed to be it is very hard to see: http://www.501st.com/index.php
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
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