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2014/11/05 01:31:27
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
think he actually has a point there - not so much about being sexual active, but a general hypocrisy which encourages a certain level of sexual and sexified depiction, but goes berzerk if you go beyond a certain line. Case in point: Nipplegate. It's like the public cheers thinks you're boring for exposing less than 50% of your body, then cheers you on for a scale between 51 and 90%, and suddenly 91-100% you're a slut. Not to mention the deep, underlying demand for porn of all sorts, contrasted by an outwardly pious appearance. How many politicians gave themselves a family-friendly image, publicly demanding harsher treatment against "sinners" in order to appeal to the people, only to stumble over affairs with prostitutes?
Fortunately I personally know enough US-Americans to know differently, but just from such events you could easily get the image that it's a country of Two-Faces. It's a worrisome duality that must put the society under tremendous stress as it requires people to hide more and more of their private life because even though you know everybody does it you must maintain that clean public image of yours.
I don't really understand what he's trying to prove throwing this remark into the thread. If anything, it only goes to show how people have gotten used to the idea of women - be them real or artificial - existing as eyecandy for them to drool at. Look around you, look at the advertisements, the posters, the movies, the TV shows. It's pretty glaring if one just opens their eyes.
Once more, I'm not argueing that characters like Bayonetta should not exist - but I just don't see how someone could think they are positive examples of female characters in gaming. That's, like .. citing Sasha Grey as a positive example for women in movies. Just acknowledge what they're for, and move on.
I am saying mostly that it is this duality that we are fine showing someones head get cut off. But if someone takes off their clothes OH MY GOD SLUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Basically in games they are called a whore if they show a nipple.
I mean remember the mass effect controversy? You know this one?
OMG LIARA IS A SLUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Basically that is a reaction a game that has a sex scene.
Funny thing they only used the male one, and not the female part you know because its FAUX news.
This is a problem I have with antia. She sounds like fox news to me. It literally reciprocates the same BS i have heard before.
She is using the same bloody argument that games are sexist.
They are not sexist, you are just an idiot if you think games like mass effect are sexist. You know where female characters are shown to be badasses.
Which is why that comment made no sense in this context. Non-professional cosplayers dress up like their favourite characters because they like the characters, not any nudity. How much or how little they wear does not factor into it and is, at best, something that is considered solely when comparing it to their personal comfort level in regards to how far they'd go for an accurate depiction.
Well I mean if you got why not flaunt it. If you have the body to show it off. Why the hell not? I mean I know girls that do that the whole time. They work had to wear that costume. Is basically what I am getting at.
What?
I'm having trouble following what you are trying to argue here. I'm not supposed to tell you that it's a bad thing because I'm having an opinion?
No its fine to disagree. I just will disagree that I think it is a bad thing.
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2014/11/05 01:38:23
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I forget the movie now...it may have been Platoon, or Apocalypse Now or something similar that I was watching on a German TV station while I was stationed there, and the channel edited out much of the actual violence that is seen in the "DVD" version in the US.
That is Germany, not Europe. I have no idea how Germany rates movies. Also, TV versus DVD is pretty damn different. I can find you a bunch of movies you will find on DVD, but pretty much never ever on mainstream TV channels .
Out of curiosity, I went to check how Baise-moi was rated in different countries. Apparently, it managed to be broadcast in the U.S., causing no controversy.
Err... I know we Yankees aren't known for our geometry skills, but last I checked... Germany is in Europe, no?
And yes, Dvd/TV are totally different. In my example, again, I'm fairly certain it was Apocalypse Now, and in German TV they had edited out much of the actual on screen violence. In contrast, I've seen Apocalypse Now on TV in the states, and they edit out the "Playboy Bunny" scenes, but leave basically all of the violence in place.
2014/11/05 01:40:38
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Nope, she is saying games are using sexist tropes.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/11/05 01:41:27
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Nope, she is saying games are using sexist tropes.
And?
I am pretty sure its just pure writing..... Not sexist tropes.
Or you know lazy writing. I don't think a writer is intentionally or unintentionally writing sexist tropes. They are using tropes. or cliches.
The fact is that there are more bloody examples of saving males in games. Than females. And people keep inflating the truth and saying only women are being saved in games.
I would like to point you... to every shooter on the planet... Thank you.
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2014/11/05 01:42:34
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Err... I know we Yankees aren't known for our geometry skills, but last I checked... Germany is in Europe, no?
Geography. And you know there are a bunch of different countries in Europe, with sometime very different cultures, right? Much more so than in the U.S. We do not even speak the same language.
I have no idea what you mean. I suspect I will still have no idea after you explain, though.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/11/05 01:45:25
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Err... I know we Yankees aren't known for our geometry skills, but last I checked... Germany is in Europe, no?
Geography. And you know there are a bunch of different countries in Europe, with sometime very different cultures, right? Much more so than in the U.S. We do not even speak the same language.
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at least you caught my joke in there
And yes, I do realize fully that there's a ton of countries and cultures within Europe, but of the one's I've personally experienced, they tend to remove violence from media that could be "easily" viewed by young'uns but tend to view sex as normal and OK
2014/11/05 01:46:01
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Is there some kind of rule saying anything else than Watergate ending with Gate while there is no actual gate involved is stupid?
Watergate is a famous scandal, so a common inprompteu is to name various scandals ending with Gate. GaziGate. GamerGate. DoritoGate. Even a wiki article on it. We're American. Coming up with snazy names for things is kind of our thing. I mean, did you see that kick ass abbreviation we kicked out with the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001?
I've seen people praise Bayonetta (including feminists) more because they celebrated how she doesn't really have an interest in males past teasing them, that she's strong, basically the mightiest character in the universe, and wears her sexuality. They've gone on about how it feels like she knows that she's sexy and she knows it.
So I can see why people would regard her as a positive character.
StarTrotter wrote: I've seen people praise Bayonetta (including feminists) more because they celebrated how she doesn't really have an interest in males past teasing them, that she's strong, basically the mightiest character in the universe, and wears her sexuality. They've gone on about how it feels like she knows that she's sexy and she knows it.
So I can see why people would regard her as a positive character.
The more interesting film that failed is Pacific Rim (which spawned the Mako Mori test, though that's hardly useful either).
No. The purpose of the Bechdel Test is to check 1) are women present in a film, and 2) do they do anything other than be about the men folk. And 2 is kind of questionable.
The more interesting film that failed is Pacific Rim (which spawned the Mako Mori test, though that's hardly useful either).
No. The purpose of the Bechdel Test is to check 1) are women present in a film, and 2) do they do anything other than be about the men folk. And 2 is kind of questionable.
1.It has to have at least two women in it,
2.who talk to each other,
3.about something besides a man.
Thats the test.
You got the test wrongggggg
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2014/11/05 02:43:56
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
That's the test. I'm talking about it's purpose. It's entirely possible for something to pass the test and still be sexist, simply because women talking about something other than a man still includes a lot of lee way for some sexist things to pop up.
All the test is ultimately useful for is what I described.
LordofHats wrote: That's the test. I'm talking about it's purpose. It's entirely possible for something to pass the test and still be sexist, simply because women talking about something other than a man still includes a lot of lee way for some sexist things to pop up.
All the test is ultimately useful for is what I described.
Oh I know its a limited like bare bones idea. It doesn't make feminist, or avoid sexist. Because pornos would automatically pass then too
Wait.....
Yeah seeing if women are represented equally to male characters.
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2014/11/05 09:04:21
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
If you still believe that the Bechdel test is there to determine if a specific movie is sexist or not, it is no wonder you do not understand anything Anita Sarkeesian is saying.
Some movie that did pass the test:
http://bechdeltest.com/view/5594/asian_school_girls/ Some movie that did not pass the test:
http://bechdeltest.com/view/4655/gravity/ Wake up, Ash, wake up! It is about trends, not individual movies/games.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/11/05 10:21:40
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ash, the Bechdel Test is something that shows the existence of a trend, not a judgment call on any single film.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2014/11/05 13:08:48
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Melissia wrote: Ash, the Bechdel Test is something that shows the existence of a trend, not a judgment call on any single film.
Read my later posts.
I did, they were ignorant and wrong.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/11/05 13:42:31
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Melissia wrote: Ash, the Bechdel Test is something that shows the existence of a trend, not a judgment call on any single film.
Read my later posts.
I did, they were ignorant and wrong.
Oh I know its a limited like bare bones idea. It doesn't make it feminist, or avoid being sexist. Because pornos would automatically pass then too
Wait.....
Yeah it is seeing if women are represented equally to male characters.
Its not a test to see if it is sexist or feminist. It is merely a test to see representation.
Its basically me talking about the idea and saying that certain things would pass which are clearly sexist.
If you still believe that the Bechdel test is there to determine if a specific movie is sexist or not, it is no wonder you do not understand anything Anita Sarkeesian is saying. Some movie that did pass the test: http://bechdeltest.com/view/5594/asian_school_girls/ Some movie that did not pass the test: http://bechdeltest.com/view/4655/gravity/ Wake up, Ash, wake up! It is about trends, not individual movies/games.
My god you people can't read.
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2014/11/05 13:57:32
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/11/05 14:14:14
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/11/05 14:17:15
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/11/05 14:21:06
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
No your ignoring posts. And when I explained it better. So you sir are the moron. Because you keep ignoring the post. I Have showed you. I have literally said.
Sometimes people don't explain it all.
So stop pestering me with your stupidity.
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2014/11/05 14:22:36
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ah, that is something you would never do! I mean, apart from the dozen of times you already have, of course .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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2014/11/05 14:23:35
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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