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**Xav**

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**Typeline**

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**Xav**

thanks what would you do to imporive it?

**Typeline**

HQ
-Demon Prince
-Mark of slannesh, Lash of Submission, Wings.
155

-Demon Prince
-Mark of Slannech, Lash of Submisson, Wings.
155

Troops
-Plague Marines (10)
-Plague Champion, power fist.
-2 Plasma guns.
300

-Thousand son (10)
-Aspiring sorceror
-Doombolt
300

-Thousand Son (10)
-Aspiring Sorceror
-Doombolt
300

-Noise marines (6)
-6 sonic blasters
150

-Noise Marines (6)
-5 Sonic Blasters
-Blastmaster
180

Heavy Support
-2 Oblits
150
-2 Oblits
150
-2 Oblits
150

There are five points left over.

**Xav**

ok i hate having all HS obliterators and 2 lash princes and 2 small squads of noise marines will do nothing wont hold objectives for over a minute they get shot down that army list is boring tbh to have 10 in each squad of sons have to buy 3 packs and use 2 outa one whats the point tbh i might one day get lash prince but il try out sorceror for now

**t funkadelic**

thousand sons are kind of lame now that their ap3 is more or less taken out of commission due to nearly everything finding some variety of a cover save. you might just want to switch those out for plague marines, or berzerkers for a bit more cc bite.

**Typeline**

Xav wrote:ok i hate having all HS obliterators and 2 lash princes and 2 small squads of noise marines will do nothing wont hold objectives for over a minute they get shot down that army list is boring tbh to have 10 in each squad of sons have to buy 3 packs and use 2 outa one whats the point tbh i might one day get lash prince but il try out sorceror for now

Be more specific next time. You might also want to say something like "Don't make this list any better than as is" or "Take into consideration that I'm not willing to go outside what is in a single box of these units" when you post. But then again... why post under those circumstances?

Edit: The NM are there for shooting not objective holding. You could combine them if you thought it was really necessary.

**Xav**

il think il keep what i got do you think im lacking in anti-tank

and

im gonna change the 2 squadsthousand son in one big squad

**Typeline**

Xav wrote:il think il keep what i got do you think im lacking in anti-tank

and

im gonna change the 2 squadsthousand son in one big squad

Yes you are, and why do that? You turn two strong mobile forces into a huge one with not as much firepower as the two smaller ones. Because your losing an aspiring sorc.

**Shadowvast**

I say 7, for the same reasons. The T-sons are nice, and they are my favorite, but the cover saves stuff gets, limits effectiveness. Plague marines are more durable for the cost.

**Xav**

because i dont have the points for 2 sorcerors do you need a sorceror in a squad?

**BloodDeathAssault**

im gunna say 5, those 10 terminators good as they may be, but your wasting t many points, and weres your transport, in the 5th edition you dont have to have dedicated transport, 5 different squads could use that rhino throught the game, if the rhino lasted that long, so you should drop 5 terminators, get a rhino or to and ad in a few standard marines, cause by the looks of it, you army needs more numbers and the last thing is the sorceror, i think there brilliant, i use them all the time, but you might want to addd teminator armour to him, just to ake him extra mean.

BDA

**Xav**

errr in 2000 points i'd never use 5 termies i love my termies and i cant use transport for plague marines and thousand son the squads are too big and you can run in 5th edition also i dont need transport for noise marines cause they are meant to shoot not take objectives and i wanna see you make a better army list blood

**wuestenfux**

A bad list. Rating: 4 or less. Downsides are Sorcerer instead of DP, better are two DPs. Winged Sorcerer, but no Raptors? Only 3 Obliterators. Three large troops but easy to outmaneuver. Not a competitive army.

**Typeline**

Xav, it's obvious you really didn't come here for anyone to help improve your list. Have fun playing and I wish you luck if you try to compete in a tournament with that list.

**shogun**

I would trade the plaguemarines and the noisemarines for more thousand sons. Thousand sons are more effective then both of them. with the RUN rule you can get within 24 inch for inferno bolter shooting. use your lash to move enemy units out of cover and within rapid fire. this way you can also stay on the objective markers halfway across the battlefield.

two big units of thousand sons reduces your amount of units for kill points and it works great in the dawn of war mission.

**wuestenfux**

It appears Xav is not interesting in improvement, but in rating.

**CaptainCommunsism**

not giving a rating, but i'll give you some advice: in fifth ed, since cover saves are very useful, i suggest throwing in some heavy flamers on the terminators, and a doom siren on the noise marines. i'd also suggest splitting up the plague marines and giving them more special weapons (flamers or plasma guns = good) so that they can take more objectives. daemon princes, as other people have stated, are better than sorcerors. lastly, transports are very, very useful in fifth, I usually give my rhino a combi flamer, and it's been very nice in the last few games i've used it. Also, you don't necessarily have to use the transport for... well... transporting! it's a very useful shield against ordinance, and that saved my khorne berserkers in one game from two ordnance shots (one battle cannon, one demo) so trust me, it's points well spent, even if you can run. you don't have to be mechanized, but one rhino couldn't hurt.

**JohnHwangDD**

Rating? 1, because you're simply looking for a cookie, not actual Feedback.

**shirou**

t funkadelic wrote:thousand sons are kind of lame now that their ap3 is more or less taken out of commission due to nearly everything finding some variety of a cover save. you might just want to switch those out for plague marines, or berzerkers for a bit more cc bite.

I second this. Both of the main thousand son advantages (AP3, 4+ invul) are considerably less worthwhile now that both the sons and their target are likely to get cover saves.

**Xav**

ive got a big unit of thousand son squad i dont have enought points for a second sorceror i could split them up and scrap noise marines and sorceror for 2 demon princes and i purely want to see what people think about it john just being an idiot should read the achualy title

**Stelek**

You don't have enough anti-tank by far.

3 combi-meltas and 3 oblits at 2000 points means on turn 2 you have 3 combi-meltas (which will be ignored).

Chaos has only certain builds that are "effective" beyond 1000 points, when the game encourages tank armies and hordes.

Chaos needs to be able to deal with both. This list can handle hordes, but cannot handle tanks.

I know it seems like a really great combo, but defiler + lash really just sucks. Easily broken up by destroying the defiler or it's main gun.

Lash + plasma cannons off the oblits...now that's bank.

For it's points, I'd give this a 3.

**Xav**

why does everyone go on about tournments on this forum ok i want a fun bu competive list to play with in my local games workshop

**MarvinGayeIsMyDaddy**

Then just throw ever whatever random models you have that are "fun".

**Xav**

i also want it to be competive but not like all obliterators and all bezerkers stuff likes that makes it realy boring

**Darrian13**

I would give it a 4 on competitiveness.

**Xav**

oh well i like the list i believe its good

**Regwon**

Xav wrote:oh well i like the list i believe its good

so you write a list and post it on a forum that is known for its population of competitive gamers? do you ever think before you do anything? what is generally considered to be a 'good' army list is one that is competitive or near competitive. this is because the standard of play at most FLGS is generally quite low. a lot of armies that will do well there would perform very poorly in a tournament situation. next time you post an army list, state specifically on what criteria you would like it to be judged. this will mean that people dont waste minutes of their precious time posting a reply that you will largely ignore.

as for the list itself:

not enough anti-tank. no real fire power. very little ranged capacity.

oblits are good, you need more. i dont care if you think theyre boring.

Thousand Sons suck in 5th. im sorry to say, but they do. noise marines are better.

defilers are useless. they die turn one.

i cant really see your terminators doing anything, but in the interests of varitey, they will do.

i rate this (because you did ask, even though your subsequent replays have annoyed me) 4/10

finally, use full stops. im hardly a bastion of good punctuation or grammtical practise, but reading your post without clearly defined sentances is incredibly frustrating.

**sourclams**

I'm derailing this topic into 'how few points do I think I could beat this list with?'

With Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle, I bet I could consistently beat your 2000 points with only 1500 for my army. Depending on scenario, I might be able to go as low as 1300.

**Burning Star IV**

On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being My Chemical Romance and 10 being Michael Phelps, I would give it a meh.

Not enough anti-tank, and the anti-tank you do have is Oblits. Not good.

This reeks of every other cliched Chaos list out there, except it's trying to be different, and it isn't working. The Defiler is severely out of place, being your only vehicle in a 2000 point list, and the Lashes are gonna give you no conceivable advantage, because your Oblits will die.

Start over from scratch, and also, split up the unit of Plague Marines.