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So DH Thunder & Daemonhammers in the codex are quite nasty, causing anyone wounded by it to not be able to attack until the end of the next assault phase. Normally this wouldn't be all that different then normal, except Daemonhammers go at initiative vs Daemons, and so have a pretty good chance of swinging before the daemon gets to attack in the round, essentially stunning the daemon and never letting it get an attack off if the hammer wielder continues to do a single wound per round.

So what do you guys think, should DH players use the old rules from their codex for Daemonhammers. Sorta a vengeance for the fact that all those damned daemon powers circumvent our shiny Aegis?

Seems quite fitting that something designed to kill daemons would actually be rather efficient at it.

Until the item is FAQ'ed, of course you should.

I haven't seen anything saying thats changed. Thunderhammers always were an I 1 weapon (V3 on anyway).

DaemonHammers swing at initiative vs Daemons, so suddenly the GKGM is swinging it at I5, while the bloodthirster is at I4 (-1 due to sacred incense), with a very good chance of wounding the BT, especially with Destroy Daemon. So the BT would very likely never get a chance to swing vs. a GKGM or InqLord with a DaemonHammer.

Granted DaemonHammers are 1 per army, but this makes them very very good at clearing out most greater daemons. (not the slaanesh one, but meh, he doesn't have iron hide, so he is psycannon bait)

Godforbid Deamonhunters HUNT deamons.

A demon hammer is not a thunderhammer. it is an army specific item even though in many cases it acts as a thunder hammer it is not standard gear. remember GKTs have access to thunder hammers as well.

therefore

special rule>standard rule.

The Dreadnote wrote:Seems quite fitting that something designed to kill daemons would actually be rather efficient at it.

Haha laughed for 5 minutes straight.. dunno why but, ye i'll second that =)

It got nuked.. So did tons of other stuff from other armies with 5th ed... but your going to have to play it as it reads until you get a new codex or a FAQ that says it can do that.

If you want to be a complete arsebag you can point to the 'Daemons terminology' bit on Codex DH: Pg 20, stating what daemons are, which of course was written long before the daemon codex, and thus fails to mention any of the units within it, so any of the anti daemon rules in CodexH don't apply to units from Codexaemons. I think you'd have a hard time justifying that argument though.

Just mob him with Bloodletters. He'll die like a chump.

Bloodletters are much more likely to die to stormbolter or psycannon fire and shouldn't hit a grey knight group at full strength (and when they do charge the GK group, it will be at Ini 1), but regardless the daemonhammer is more a way to take out MCs and DaemonZilla forces with ease.

Just because they roll as for difficult terrain doesn't mean they're crossing through it, I don't think their I is reduced to 1.

The new rules don't use terrain as a measure. Any time you make a difficult terrain roll (for any reason) you assault at Init 1 unless you have grenades.

What about sustained attack? Those rules don't exist in 5th edition, do they? Do daemons still recycle?

My major issue is with intent. When DH were made, it was in a version of 40k where you could not take a fully daemon army. The rules DH were given were to combat a small portion of a single army if CSM decided to take it. Now, DH, and GK especially, have an obscene advantage over Daemon armies and when they are played by a competent player or have been given all of the daemon hunting tools, put out an astounding number of wounds.

That being said, I personally can't wait for the codex to get rewritten, as I like the head to head nature of the two armies fluff wise.

Shag,

The fact that force weapons can now no longer kill DP's or GD, and that aegis doesn't work against daemon powers MORE than makes up for any slight your Daemons may have suffered.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Shag,

The fact that force weapons can now no longer kill DP's or GD, and that aegis doesn't work against daemon powers MORE than makes up for any slight your Daemons may have suffered.

GD are not immune to Instant Death. 'Least not in my CSM codex.

I believe Valhallan is referring to DP's and GD's from Codex Daemons. Daemonhunters codex is hard enough to win with. Plus with some of the lameness that is the Codex Daemons....you'll get no sympathy from me.

Capt K

you'll get no sympathy from me.

Me neither, even though I play Daemons. The army is really good, so much so that I'm selling mine after I finish the league I am in.

IN our gw al codexis go befor the role book like it sas in the role book and demonhamer has effekt on evry demon also the demons in de codex demon and yes dey hit in I

So what you're trying to say is that the grey knights might be overpowered?

heh

jes gray knights an demon hunters are overpowert vs demons wow thay have 1 army they are realy good agains and ges what its the army dey are mad to hunt for

Emperor forbid the Demonhunters especially Grey Knights be worth their points.


I would allow it since by RAW and fluff that it is designed to smite down demons.

@ quietus - you forgot to turn on your voxbox - hard time translating what you said.

Quietus is a a poster who is dyslexic, and is also a person who is not a native english speaker, IIRC. Cut him some slack.

@quietus - You have my apologies. I didn't realize your tag was genuine. I meant no harm.

You should run DH as your codex directs (along with the 5th Edition FAQ that they have)

ferrous wrote:DaemonHammers swing at initiative vs Daemons, so suddenly the GKGM is swinging it at I5, while the bloodthirster is at I4 (-1 due to sacred incense) ...

Actually you would be hitting at the same time as I believe Bloodletters have Furious Charge. So I5 (-1 Sacred Incense) (+1 Furious Charge) = I5

Perfect_Timing wrote:

ferrous wrote:DaemonHammers swing at initiative vs Daemons, so suddenly the GKGM is swinging it at I5, while the bloodthirster is at I4 (-1 due to sacred incense) ...

Actually you would be hitting at the same time as I believe Bloodletters have Furious Charge. So I5 (-1 Sacred Incense) (+1 Furious Charge) = I5

If the Thirster is charging the GM, he is at I1, while if the GM charges him, the Thirster doesn't get the benefit of furious charge-- So the thirster would always go after the GM if he had sacred incense.

Spellbound wrote:What about sustained attack? Those rules don't exist in 5th edition, do they? Do daemons still recycle?

Sure it does... just as soon as you can find a "Daemon Pack" in the new Codex: Daemons