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Asherian Command doesn't run the server and doesn't get to dictate what happens to it or how I should go about running it. I don't have the time or inclination to dig into this at the moment, particularly when the update is not slated for release until mid-2021. If you start pushing for resets right now I'm likely inclined to just shut the whole thing down give a world download link and say there, find a new hoster for the new world. That's not to say I won't look into how we handle the update later in mid-2021 when the new version is closer to release.

For those who do want to join the Discord, there's always been a sign in the Dakka spawn square with the discord link since it was set up. I don't want it posted publicly to avoid getting spam bots etc.

   
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That makes sense, I'll have to log back in and find it....

Actually Dark, that reminds me, I had to change my ID to reset my minecraft account. Am I ok to PM you to get it changed, or should i post in the Whitelist thread?

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 darkinnit wrote:
Asherian Command doesn't run the server and doesn't get to dictate what happens to it or how I should go about running it. I don't have the time or inclination to dig into this at the moment, particularly when the update is not slated for release until mid-2021. If you start pushing for resets right now I'm likely inclined to just shut the whole thing down give a world download link and say there, find a new hoster for the new world. That's not to say I won't look into how we handle the update later in mid-2021 when the new version is closer to release.

For those who do want to join the Discord, there's always been a sign in the Dakka spawn square with the discord link since it was set up. I don't want it posted publicly to avoid getting spam bots etc.


So can we at least discuss the subject ? I mean most of it is just hype for 1.17. Mostly me just framing the question for people and trying to focus on what would be the best way to do a reset, cause a lot of us are uncertain about it. (I Mean if 1.17 comes out at the time we think it does because of COVID it might be thrown out the window for all we know).

So asking preliminary questions at least I think would make sense here? I mean no one wants to put it to a vote not yet, I even acknowledge that several times in my previous posts. I even suggested us discuss what we would even think about in terms of like seeds and others which we could at least look into? I don't want to step over my boundaries at all just wanted to ask everyone questions, nor do I want to dictate what happens on the server. I've not implied that anywhere in my comments. Mostly framing the question because I am a designer its what I do. Sorry for being a jerk.
   
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 darkinnit wrote:
when the update is not slated for release until mid-2021.
Ah, hadn't heard of its potential release date, I guess they're very early in development then.

I hope when it's released it's good. Cave diving is really repetitive right now.

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 IHateNids wrote:
That makes sense, I'll have to log back in and find it....

Actually Dark, that reminds me, I had to change my ID to reset my minecraft account. Am I ok to PM you to get it changed, or should i post in the Whitelist thread?

Sure, pop me a pm with the details and I'll get you sorted out.

   
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What happened to the idea of just starting over in a new area? I mean isn't that what the teleporter in the subway is for? Has anyone other than myself even been out there?

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 Breotan wrote:
What happened to the idea of just starting over in a new area? I mean isn't that what the teleporter in the subway is for? Has anyone other than myself even been out there?


We are getting so far away from spawn any community interaction is basically dead other than in chat. SO people have no access to spawn because they are so far away, most people are so far away it now involves real-world travel times to a ridiculous degree. We have generated tons and tons of terrain, not even mentioning how the END and several places have corrupted chunks. That's where the majority of people argue for.

Just making it so we keep moving on the map just means we get further, and further away from spawn and by essence each other. That means entire swathes of areas on the dakka server just go completely unused. A server reset even if it is premature to talk about one might be beneficial, because it's quite literally world-changing, like terrain generation, cave generations are all changed completely not even including all the new biomes. WE aren't even sure how the terrian generation will be changed in the underground layers near bedrock that have been talked about. I am all for alternate solutions but I don't want to piss Darknnit off by suggesting ideas or ways to handle it.

Cause we aren't just talking about a new biome or a few new mobs, its a complete overhaul of how caves work in minecraft in terms of generation, that is incredibly different to what is 100% of all cave generation on our server. If it wasn't a substantial update I wouldn't suggest it, but because of how much is changing including how dungeons, and the entirety of the bedrock layer I wouldn't suggest it otherwise. We can't really 'just' reset the underground because many areas on the server would be changed completely from the top layers because terrian generation for mountains and valleys will always be changing.. They are using a new generration method for mountains which will be a pretty big deal. Which is a very 'big' (No pun intended) change for almost every biome in the game.

Its just my experience that servers reach a point where they naturally need a reset. We do it on our server every 2 years because terrian generation corruption does happen quite frequently, especially in the end for some reason.

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 Breotan wrote:
What happened to the idea of just starting over in a new area? I mean isn't that what the teleporter in the subway is for? Has anyone other than myself even been out there?


*waves*
That's where I went. My little island base is a short boat ride (and even shorter Nether jaunt) from the jungle teleport point.

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 Breotan wrote:
What happened to the idea of just starting over in a new area? I mean isn't that what the teleporter in the subway is for? Has anyone other than myself even been out there?


I built the west tunnel out to there and the cart track. I didn't do the walls because it's a much nicer view this way. I'm also blowing up most of the nether underneath it

and from that point, my daughter and I explored most of the oceans doing maps for conduits, and started the mineshaft under the area. so it would be a greater distance outwards to get to the new cave areas. and thats already 50,000 blocks away from spawn. Not to mention the random trips people have made out some 30,000 blocks in all directions to look for mansions.

restarting would remove the builds from the people who've been banned and give us a chance to remake spawn, have all the goodies, and maybe even a proper road and train network. we can imagine a remade spawn. not to mention an end to the mismatched terrain from things have already been reset.

talking and figuring it out now will make whatever we decide when it goes live, that much easier. give people a chance to debate if they want to continue on their projects or go for freshy goodness.


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oh and speaking of bees the other day, my daughter set up a shop, it sells diamond armor, honey blocks, potions and a few other nic naks.

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I mean if I remember correctly I moved originally because we had a certain person who griefed sururbia so I wanted to be as far away as I could be.

So nowadays kind of miss being near spawn and building with Skyslasher, ERHammer and others.

I am entirely up to moving back to spawn if the terrian was new and had all the new stone types. But currently I am so bloody far away its not worth the trips back and forth between my area and having to go mining I had at one point set up an outpost but travel back and forth became exhausting.

Not to mention spawn is mostly arid climates, and mostly been claimed entirely. kind of regret making my territory so big. I think the theme we had tried to go for is like kingdoms way back?

(or at least I did) Can't speak for others there but we had some pretty cool stuff back then and I would be fine with my entire area be reset or the outer edges being completely reset to some degree, and spawn as well. so we limit it. But eh again its only a suggestion don't want to anger anyone.

I am currently looking for more diamonds trying to build a bit of a stockpile and figure out what to do next as I abandon my dwarf fortress as building underground has become an extreme pain even with netherite and others. If only we could have tools that mined 3x3 lol but alas vanillia does not have of these capabilities which stinks especially because there is a way to fast mine through things but I don't like duplication glitches for TNT. Along with all the other redstone tricks that are out there, I don't want to build a tunnel borer in minecraft on the dakka server lol

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Hehe, I didn't realize that bees could be "made" to spawn by growing trees in the right biomes. I thought they were one of those things that only initially generated naturally.

So, I have a little bee farm now.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Hehe, I didn't realize that bees could be "made" to spawn by growing trees in the right biomes. I thought they were one of those things that only initially generated naturally.

So, I have a little bee farm now.


grats

 
   
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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Hehe, I didn't realize that bees could be "made" to spawn by growing trees in the right biomes. I thought they were one of those things that only initially generated naturally.

So, I have a little bee farm now.


The hard part is that has a 3% chance of happening and in order to make it fully automated takes a bit of time, but to do it is pretty cheap. Finding the bees and getting three per hive is the hardest part.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
The hard part is that has a 3% chance of happening and in order to make it fully automated takes a bit of time, but to do it is pretty cheap. Finding the bees and getting three per hive is the hardest part.


Funny part is my little island is half Flower Forest and half Sunflower Plains biomes. All the trees I've grown previously didn't spawn a beehive. Then, once I learned that you could get a beehive randomly that way, the third tree I grew had one. And then the next 30 didn't. But, my flower farm had given me a lot of flowers I've got stored away, so breeding up enough bees to fill six hives was pretty quick. I was lucky in that my first hive had two bees to start with.

Anyway, I built a thing! The Nether side of the Nether portal at the Bamboo Jungle was somewhat boring to look at every time I passed through (it was just a Netherack hut), so I just finished constructing a blackstone/diorite building around it.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
The hard part is that has a 3% chance of happening and in order to make it fully automated takes a bit of time, but to do it is pretty cheap. Finding the bees and getting three per hive is the hardest part.


Funny part is my little island is half Flower Forest and half Sunflower Plains biomes. All the trees I've grown previously didn't spawn a beehive. Then, once I learned that you could get a beehive randomly that way, the third tree I grew had one. And then the next 30 didn't. But, my flower farm had given me a lot of flowers I've got stored away, so breeding up enough bees to fill six hives was pretty quick. I was lucky in that my first hive had two bees to start with.

Anyway, I built a thing! The Nether side of the Nether portal at the Bamboo Jungle was somewhat boring to look at every time I passed through (it was just a Netherack hut), so I just finished constructing a blackstone/diorite building around it.


I read Diorite and I wanted to die.

I will comeby and rebuild it with quartz lol.

You are extremely lucky, I had a critical low amount of flowers in my area. So Getting more is an issue for me.

I regret ever deciding to build entirely underground. But I think I am going to move around and figure out where to build my next project.

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Regular diorite I don't care for, but I do like polished diorite. It may help that I'm not on the default texture pack, instead I'm using the Faithful 32x32 pack.

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I think I mentioned some things on Discord, but I like longer-form writing as well, so...

I would be alright with a Reset, if we could keep at least 1 build.

However, I recognize that I have a somewhat different experience than a lot of others.

Namely... I only have 1 build, it's a megabuild (thus something that has a lot of time invested), and it happens to be square, and take up the entirety of the chunks it fills, from top to bottom (thus things like new caves aren't a big issue).

However, I also would like to be able to save the inventories of the build, and I wonder how villagers would transfer over as well.


In any case...

I recognize what Asherian is talking about, with the community thing. I was talking to, Ithink, Tannhauser the other day, who was talking about their Dwarf Fortress build. I happen to like Dwarven things, and I wanted to see their build. However, their build was so far away that it would take an exhorbitant amount of time to reach it for a tour, and so I decided not to.

Part of the reason that I'm playing on Dakkacraft instead of in a single-player world is that I enjoy visiting builds and showing them off (much like Ian does), and so I completely get how that's something currently missing, that a world reset might fix.

I also understand that Minecraft in general has had enough new terrain features, in the Overworld, the Oceans, and the Nether (and soon to be more!) that a reset would be a good idea, if only to have some better coherency going on.



So to reiterate: I think a Full Reset would be good. I think everyone should be able to save 1 build. I would _like_ for the inventories in those builds to be saved, if only so that I don't have to place down 10,000 blocks of iron and coal ore in order to get them transferred across (I only have 1 Shulker box- not nearly the number I'd need to store all of my valuable stuff- even aside from things like mob drops or dirt that I save like a pack rat).

I like casual community, and the ability to explore the world and find things that have been made by the hands of other people, even if there's not a lot of direct co-building stuff going on.

Though I'd enjoy the chance to help design a new spawn and Nether hub. There's some ideas I have that I'd like to try out.

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I mean especially because of Elytras the nether tunnels we have are not as useful as they used to be.
   
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I have no idea how much work is involved with a reboot, but it's clearly significantly more than the 1st and 2nd ones were, partly because people have headed so far from Spawn in search of new content, and partly because we also have a massively developed Nether transit system which of course maps on to the current locations of the bigger builds, and which was a considerable amount of work itself (I can't remember how many months I spent on the Great North Tunnel but it was... a few!).

I wonder how viable it'd be to set a radius limit from spawn of say 4000 blocks, preserve everything within that circle including the nether transit tunnels, and reset everything outside that limit, BUT allow people whose main builds were outside that limit to move them within the 4000 blocks, into areas that are currently disused?

I think this could HOPEFULLY be less work than copying every megabuild over one block at a time, as well as bringing the biggest structures back into easily traversable distances? The Nether transit system makes going out to 4K or so in any direction pretty easy, I've found?

I do speak as someone who wouldn't lose that much by doing this (I have probably 3 or 4 builds outside the 4K radius and I don't really want them to go but I do recognise it may be for the best) but I suspect that most people wouldn't, either, especially if able to bring one megabuild in closer.

Again no real idea how viable any of this is in terms of workload. And again we DO need to respect that it's Darkinnit's decision at the end of the day -- we can have all the ideas we want but this isn't a democracy.

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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I have no idea how much work is involved with a reboot, but it's clearly significantly more than the 1st and 2nd ones were, partly because people have headed so far from Spawn in search of new content, and partly because we also have a massively developed Nether transit system which of course maps on to the current locations of the bigger builds, and which was a considerable amount of work itself (I can't remember how many months I spent on the Great North Tunnel but it was... a few!).

I wonder how viable it'd be to set a radius limit from spawn of say 4000 blocks, preserve everything within that circle including the nether transit tunnels, and reset everything outside that limit, BUT allow people whose main builds were outside that limit to move them within the 4000 blocks, into areas that are currently disused?

I think this could HOPEFULLY be less work than copying every megabuild over one block at a time, as well as bringing the biggest structures back into easily traversable distances? The Nether transit system makes going out to 4K or so in any direction pretty easy, I've found?

I do speak as someone who wouldn't lose that much by doing this (I have probably 3 or 4 builds outside the 4K radius and I don't really want them to go but I do recognise it may be for the best) but I suspect that most people wouldn't, either, especially if able to bring one megabuild in closer.

Again no real idea how viable any of this is in terms of workload. And again we DO need to respect that it's Darkinnit's decision at the end of the day -- we can have all the ideas we want but this isn't a democracy.


I think even reseting spawn island entirely would also be beneficial as most of us want to redo it anyway. And digging the tunnels might actually be signifcantly easier as we have netherite tools and beacons. With beacons we will literally instant mine most of the tunnels relatively quickly. Not to mention that we can probably make the tunnels taller, (But we dont need a reset for that we could just make them taller for elytra travel.

Especially Sururbia which has become more and 'empty' as time has gone on. No one currently active lives on the spawn island because of how old it is. Infact, I do think that the spawn island itself could be like temporary and thats where resets happen the most often? I don't know up to darkinnit, most if not all I say are suggestions not me giving an answer.

I want it to stew in peoples minds because we can all figure it out together elegant solutions to it just by talking about it.
   
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Yeah I doubt there's anyone super keen to preserve the Spawn area (it's mostly quite procedural and farm-heavy) or Suburbia, but ya never know...

Suburbia was a lovely idea for getting people together. Definitely one of the places we got most people gathering back when the server was busier!

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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah I doubt there's anyone super keen to preserve the Spawn area (it's mostly quite procedural and farm-heavy) or Suburbia, but ya never know...

Suburbia was a lovely idea for getting people together. Definitely one of the places we got most people gathering back when the server was busier!

There are parts of spawn that I think are worth preserving; At least the market, the villager hall, and the banner hall. Oh, and of course the DakkaDakka sign.

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I have placed a lodstone at spawn so you can all sync up your compasses to it, it is located at the suggestion sign. I would've placed it at the center of spawn but can't cause its spawn protected. Now begins the search for Looking for a new place to set up at.

First, Darknnit is it possible to reset my old area here?

https://www.darkinnit.com/newdakkamap/#/3283/64/-1279/-2/Dakka%20-%20overworld/Regular

If not I can always go and find a new place to live at. Or should I wait... hmmm

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