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Ok, so I am faced with a dilemma with the new rules and the old Singing Spears. It states that the spears have no AP value, hence it would appear they cop a negative penalty on the damage charts against armour, yet belt out St9 hits to begin with. Personally, I think this is something that should be addressed in errata somewhere in the future on GW's website as it feels completely odd to have such a high Strength weapon tearing a tank to bits, only to shake it or less on average. Does anyone have any further info that might lead to correction on my thoughts / interpretation? If you were playing using singing spears or against them would you have a house rule against the negative penalty for no AP? Please discuss... this may have an impact on manhood jokes at local games "sure its big enough, but is it useful?" etc.

???? first off, no weapons in close combat have an AP value so you don't get a -1 on the damage table
... secondly at range a sing spear is AP 6 (strenth 9 against vechicals) so still no -1 on the damage table roll


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should make it clear you only get a -1 if your AP: -

I don't have my codex on hand, but I recall the shooting attack is AP 6 as well, therefore, no modifier. I use them frequently, and if I haven't been applying a modifier when I should I have a lot of appologizing to do, however, I recall them being AP 6

So it is, an oversight on my part, didn't look close enough and missed the AP6 for the shooting attack (which is what my post was refering to). Not used the Seer w/S.Spear since 2006, hence the oversight thanks for the heads up. Case closed!

Range:6" STR:6 AP:4 Assault 1, Lance

That's the Laser Lance, not the Singing Spear that Seers/Locks use which my question was about