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alright so me and a few of my friends are organizing a small 2 vs 2 mega batlle but since my force is rather small my list is rather limited so we decided that there will be one 2000 point player on each team and one 3000 point player on each team. my teamate is a vetran ig player and my oppents are a 3000 point nids army and a 2000 point necron army. so heres my list feedback is apreciated

Marhsal hector: mc plasma pistol, power weapon ,crusader seals, holy orbs, adamintine mantle,arificer armor, iron halo

master of sancitiy sain: crozius, mc plasma pistol, crusader seals,holy orbs,rosarius,artificer armor, jump pack, adamintine mantle

sword brethren squad (5 man): 3 ccws and pistols, pistol and power weapon 1 ,dual ligntning claws , frag grenades,crusader seals, counter attack, drop pod with deathwind
- attached to marshal

venerable dreadnaught grizzmund:ccw, assault cannon, heavy flamer, extra armor, smoke launchers, drop pod with deathwind

Crusader squad (10 man) : 8 ccw and pistols, 1 flamer, 1 power fist and pistol, frag grenades, crusader seals- in a rhino

crusader squad( 10 man) : 1 ccw and pistol, 7 bolters, melta gun, plasma cannon, krak grenades, crusader seals

assault squad ( 7 man) : 6 ccw nd pistols, flamer, frag grenades, melta bombs, crusader seals
-attached to chaplain

predator destructor: autocannon, heavy bolters,dozer blade,extra armor, hunter killer missle, storm bolter, machine spirit, smoke launchers

predator anihilator: twin linked lascannon, 2 lacannons, dozer blade,extra armor, hunter killer missle, storm bolter, machine spirit, smoke launchers

suggestions

oh and a emperors champion with the norm gear and the accept any challenge vow(sorry totattly forgot bout him )

Is your second crusader squad for fire support? cause i think your preds should be able to give you support just fine. You should probably get rid of the Hunter killer, potMS, and the storm bolter for the annihilator cause you might have a better chance using it to snipe your targets.
I'm thinking you should field another crusader squad with neophytes in a LRC.
If you have an emperors champion maybe you should take another chaplain instead of your marshal cause rerolls for a cc squad seem moreuseful than a leadership test.
Are you the 2,000 point army?

Your allie is a IG?Then you shoud give the fire support mission to his tanks,and maximize the close combat ability of yourself.

You need bigger squad and more high strength ccw to get rid of the MC.

tokugawa wrote:Your allie is a IG?Then you shoud give the fire support mission to his tanks,and maximize the close combat ability of yourself.

You need bigger squad and more high strength ccw to get rid of the MC.

Sorry....wrong quotation.How can i delete this reply?

The edit button is so hard to see, isn't it. Editing a post, even harder.

I dislike the list, doesn't seem to do anything well, more of an all-rounder, but not a good one. I'd remove the Pred Destructor, your inf are your Anti-Inf. Add more Crusaders squads, ect. Replace the plasma cannon squad with more assaulty.

P-fist in Assault squad?

Phagetime wrote:Is your second crusader squad for fire support? cause i think your preds should be able to give you support just fine. You should probably get rid of the Hunter killer, potMS, and the storm bolter for the annihilator cause you might have a better chance using it to snipe your targets.
I'm thinking you should field another crusader squad with neophytes in a LRC.
If you have an emperors champion maybe you should take another chaplain instead of your marshal cause rerolls for a cc squad seem moreuseful than a leadership test.
Are you the 2,000 point army?

I already get rerolls in close combat from the accept any challenge vow and as for the land raider.... I dont have one unfourtunately I do have a few extra marines I could through together into a cc squad and I could borrow my friends rhino. and yes I am the 2000 point army.

HotSoup wrote:The edit button is so hard to see, isn't it. Editing a post, even harder.

I dislike the list, doesn't seem to do anything well, more of an all-rounder, but not a good one. I'd remove the Pred Destructor, your inf are your Anti-Inf. Add more Crusaders squads, ect. Replace the plasma cannon squad with more assaulty.

P-fist in Assault squad?

Alright so I should leave the fire support to the ig and concentrate on assaulting? whats the best compisition for cc crusader squads? 9ccws and a flamer?

tokugawa wrote:Your allie is a IG?Then you shoud give the fire support mission to his tanks,and maximize the close combat ability of yourself.

You need bigger squad and more high strength ccw to get rid of the MC.

What do I use for high strength ccw? emperors champion?

powerfists maybe, i don't really see other equipment upping your strength

This list has a lot of unnecessary equipment tacked on.

I would recommend dropping everything that is highlighted in red:

Marshalr: Power Weapon, Crusader Seals, Holy Orb of Antioch, Adamantine Mantle, Master-Crafted Plasma Pistol, Artificer Armor, Iron Halo

Master of Sanctity: Crozius, Crusader Seals, Holy Orb of Antioch, Rosarius, Jump Pack, Artificer Armor, Master Crafted Plasma Pistol, Adamantine Mantle

Just an FYI: The relics and artifacts section of the Wargear list states you may only take one item in total from the list. Taking two Adamantine Mantles and an Iron Halo not only eats 95 points, but is also illegal

SB Squad (5): Lightning Claw Pair, Frags, Crusader Seals, Counter Attack, Drop Pod (w/ Deathwind)

Dreadnought: Venerable, DCCW, AC, HF, EA, Smoke, Drop Pod (w/ Deathwind)

Crusader Squad (10): 1 PF, 1 Flamer, 8 BP/CCW, Frags, Crusader Seals, Rhino

Crusader Squad (10): 1 PC, 1 Meltagun, 7 Bolters, 1 BP/CCW, Kraks, Crusader Seals

Assault Squad (7): 1 Flamer, Frags, Melta Bombs, Crusader Seals

Predator Destructor: Autocannon, HB Sponsons, Smoke, Dozer Blade, EA, HK Missile, Pintle SB, PotMS

Predator Annihilator: TL Lascannon, 2 Lascannon, Smoke, Dozer Blade, EA, HK Missile, Pintle SB, PotMS

Your Marshal is a points sink. 30 points for a Plasma Pistol that should only fire at most 2 times per game? No thanks. No need for Artificer Armor either. Anything that really wants to kill him in Assault is going to ignore his Armor Save anyway.

The Chaplain has way too much crap that he doesn't need. Basics for him include a Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, and maybe an Orb if you have the points. He does not need a Mantle or Artificer Armor. If you want him to stick around longer, put him in Terminator Armor and give him a Termie Command Squad. Otherwise, accept the fact that he's no Daemon Prince in Assault and that he will probably be killed accordingly.

The SB Squad needs to be beefed up (in terms of additional members), and should really take Infiltrate as their Veteran Skill. If you do this, put the Commander with the Crusaders to add to their H2H punch with 4 Power Weapon attacks.

Dreadnought is good. By himself he'll get owned, but if you had more dropping units (5 space marines for 110 points doesn't count) he'd be better off. Not really viable with Templars, IMHO.

Both Crusader Squads should be 10-Initiates with Power Fist and your choice of Flamer or Meltagun. I recommend the latter, simply because your troops can kill anything the Flamer will kill in the following phase, and the Meltagun also makes your opponent think before moving any armor into that 18" threat radius. Not bad for 10 points apiece. Never use them for fire support. Crusaders are the bulk of your army, and should be geared toward running things down and beating them up in H2H. The rest of the army's entries are there for specialized assault, fire support, or getting you into H2H faster. Let something else shoot.

The lone Assault Squad will get shot to pieces. I'd recommend either tossing them in favor of more Infiltrating Sword Brethren, or tossing the Sword Brethren in favor of another Assault Squad for the Marshal to join. The unit needs a Power Fist badly. It costs about the same as upgrading all the Marines with Meltabombs, and it can hurt non-vehicle units too. With the Accept Any Challenge vow, I consider it a prerequisite.

Both of those predators should be Annihilators, with TL Lascannons and Lascannons Sponsons. Give them Smoke and Power of the Machine Spirit, and you've got 6 Lascannons on 2 fairly tough vehicles that will keep shooting until they're dead, thanks to the BS2 PotMS. That's pretty solid antitank for 1800, especially considering you had next to none before.

Hope that helps.

CK