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Question #1: Move-distance in the Assault Phase

One member of our gaming group interprets the statement on page 34 (5th ed) that says, "All of the models in an assaulting unit make their assault move following the same rules as in the Movement phase, with the exception that they may be moved within 1" of enemy models", to mean that, the distance a model moves in its Movement Phase is the distance that the model moves in the Assault Phase. That interpretation infers that all bikes/jetbikes move 12" in the Assault Phase. Our friend believes this rule is a change from 4th edition to 5th edition.

Other members of our group think that the intent of the statement is to say: those constraints that apply in the Movement Phase (difficult terrain, etc.) also apply in the Assault Phase. The default move distance for bikes/jetbikes is 6" during the Assault Phase, unless a rule explicitly states otherwise.

Can anyone point us to an unambiguous reference to resolve the difference in interpretation?


Question #2: Model edge

Are distances to/from a bike/jetbike measured to/from the base (as a special unit), or are they measured to-the-hull/from-the-weapon (as a vehicle)? Note: Ork bikes don't have bases, and Eldar jetbikes do have bases.


Many thanks.

Bikes are not vehicles, so you don't measure from the hull.
Now, if they don't have a base, you need to...pretend.

You move 6" in the assault phase. That is what the rules say, and the Bike rules don't overrule that.

+1

Thank you very much, gentlemen. Much appreciated!

Our friend believes this rule is a change from 4th edition to 5th edition.

Take the 5th edition book and hit him with it repeatedly until he bleeds from his ears. His obviously isn't reading the actually book, so you'll have to beat the rules into him some other way.

coredump wrote:Bikes are not vehicles, so you don't measure from the hull.

The measurement rules for models without bases are not specific to vehicles.

If the model has a base, you measure from the base. If the model does not have a base, you measure from the model's main body/hull.

What that actually means for bikes is anyone's guess, though. But so long as you're consistent, it shouldn't matter too much whether you measure from the closest part of the bike, from the rider's torso, or from somewhere else entirely.

For my attack bikes, I play any part of the model is legal, the whole thing is a "base". This works for LOS as well.

insaniak wrote:

coredump wrote:Bikes are not vehicles, so you don't measure from the hull.

The measurement rules for models without bases are not specific to vehicles.

If the model has a base, you measure from the base. If the model does not have a base, you measure from the model's main body/hull.

What that actually means for bikes is anyone's guess, though. But so long as you're consistent, it shouldn't matter too much whether you measure from the closest part of the bike, from the rider's torso, or from somewhere else entirely.

I stand corrected.

And I agree with the second part.