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I'm in the 20+ range with the points calculated as they are in scenarios 2 & 3. What's everyone else coming in at?

i am bouncing between 9,12 or 18
9 for the 1 lash sorcerer and 90 berzerkers
12 for 2 lash sorcerers and berzerkers
18 for 2 lash sorcerers 9 obliterators and berzerkers

19 or 20 after I adjusted a little. Would have been 22 before.

I've got one player at my shop who is coming in around 40. He's playing IG of course. His list gives up 18 pts just for the command platoon

We're warning our IG players that they might want to bring/borrow another army for this tourney, as it's just not possible to win either of the KP missions. Hell, your opponent can just kill part of your army, and walk off for a beer in the last couple of rounds, as it won't matter what you do to him.

Aren't Kill Points ridiculous?

A great example of the designer just not thinking things through.

IG and other high-KP armies are going to have to table their opponents.

I am at 18KP's according to the Ard Boy formula

22 with a mech/pod smurfs

I'm at 21 with orks, but I might try to bring that down a little.

18 with my chaos list. I suspect everyone but guard and orks (and maybe some nids) will be in the 18-24 KP range.

company HQ
HSO + Retinue = 6KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Independant Commisar = 3KP

etc,etc

71 total kill points if continueing down this road.

I read it as
HQ FOC= 3 points
Elite/FA/HS FOC = 2 points
Troop FOC = 1 point

Which makes IG a viable army again
23 Kill Points if my interpretation is correct.

BA Jumpwing coming in at 18.

odinsspear45 wrote:company HQ
HSO + Retinue = 6KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Independant Commisar = 3KP

etc,etc

71 total kill points if continueing down this road.

*WAIT* you got the KP points very messed up there.
Each of those HB/Mortar squads are only 1 KP, the individual weapons are not individual KP's, and the HSO squad is 2 KP's, not 6. The Commissar is only 3 KP if you buy 3 of them.



That said, the above HQ would clock in at 7 KP's (2 for the cmd squad, 4 for the weapons squads, 1 for the commissar), thats still a lot for 30 T3 5+sv models. IG's problem is that a basic Troops choice is a minimum of 4 KP's and up to 13 KP's in a single Troops slot (5 infantry squads, command squad, and chimera's)

Vaktathi wrote:

odinsspear45 wrote:company HQ
HSO + Retinue = 6KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Independant Commisar = 3KP

etc,etc

71 total kill points if continueing down this road.

*WAIT* you got the KP points very messed up there.
Each of those HB/Mortar squads are only 1 KP, the individual weapons are not individual KP's, and the HSO squad is 2 KP's, not 6. The Commissar is only 3 KP if you buy 3 of them.



That said, the above HQ would clock in at 7 KP's (2 for the cmd squad, 4 for the weapons squads, 1 for the commissar), thats still a lot for 30 T3 5+sv models. IG's problem is that a basic Troops choice is a minimum of 4 KP's and up to 13 KP's in a single Troops slot (5 infantry squads, command squad, and chimera's)

The 'Ard Boyz tournament is *not* using standard Kill Points. 3 KP per HQ, 2 per Elite/FA/Heavy Support, 1 per Troops "choice", and dedicated transports give 0 KP.

wow i just got off the phone with GW and the guy i spoke with said they had all reached a concensus on the interprtation.. nad my army is in fact 71 KP

he said i need to table my enemies in two of the games.

*sigh*

19

We're warning our IG players that they might want to bring/borrow another army for this tourney, as it's just not possible to win either of the KP missions. Hell, your opponent can just kill part of your army, and walk off for a beer in the last couple of rounds, as it won't matter what you do to him.

Aren't Kill Points ridiculous?

A great example of the designer just not thinking things through.

IG and other high-KP armies are going to have to table their opponents.

The 'Ard Boyz tournament is *not* using standard Kill Points. 3 KP per HQ, 2 per Elite/FA/Heavy Support, 1 per Troops "choice", and dedicated transports give 0 KP.

wow i just got off the phone with GW and the guy i spoke with said they had all reached a concensus on the interprtation.. nad my army is in fact 71 KP

he said i need to table my enemies in two of the games.

*sigh*

*sits in corner talking quietly to self*

Everything is proceeding as I have forseen...

BYE

I'm at 20 with orks.

20 they'll have a hard time earning 5 of for sure.

Janthkin wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

odinsspear45 wrote:company HQ
HSO + Retinue = 6KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
heavy bolter support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Mortar Support squad = 3KP
Independant Commisar = 3KP

etc,etc

71 total kill points if continueing down this road.

*WAIT* you got the KP points very messed up there.
Each of those HB/Mortar squads are only 1 KP, the individual weapons are not individual KP's, and the HSO squad is 2 KP's, not 6. The Commissar is only 3 KP if you buy 3 of them.



That said, the above HQ would clock in at 7 KP's (2 for the cmd squad, 4 for the weapons squads, 1 for the commissar), thats still a lot for 30 T3 5+sv models. IG's problem is that a basic Troops choice is a minimum of 4 KP's and up to 13 KP's in a single Troops slot (5 infantry squads, command squad, and chimera's)

The 'Ard Boyz tournament is *not* using standard Kill Points. 3 KP per HQ, 2 per Elite/FA/Heavy Support, 1 per Troops "choice", and dedicated transports give 0 KP.

Ahh ok, my apologies then.


thats still a pretty silly system I think.

I put a post in the other thread in news and rumors. I have notes from the head of trade sales, and will be typing up clarifications to the scenarios, and posting later tonite.

Basics: Killpoints are for a choice off the FOC. IG infantry platoon = 1 kp, after you kill all parts of the platoon. More examples in the other thread, more info after I get it all typed up.

Mike Clark
Showcase Comics

Ok with my IG...
--Under normal KP rules I have 26.
--Under the original interpretation of the Ardboyz KP rules I had 40 (wasn't going to bring the IG).
--With the clarification (assuming my store abides by it) I have 12 KP's.

Wow, 40 to 12. That's stupid. Why did they bother changing a basic scoring mechanic like this. I see no good reason or rationale. It's really stupid, ill-advised and not thought through.

Wait dedicated transports give 0 KP?

So my Land Raider army is even more bull than I thought possible.

Let me see:

3 for the GKT.
6 for the LR.
6 for the Retinues.
3 for the troops.

Oh right, Ard Boyz is gonna be fun for me this year...cause it's obvious the idiots running it truly are idiots.

Imperial Guard went from the undisputed highest KP force to the undisputed lowest KP force.

Maxed out HQ support choices: 3
JSO with 6x platoons and transports: 1
JSO with 6x platoons and transports: 1

Total cost for 150+ men with up to 15 armored vehicles: 5 KP

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHA

Only way to beat Guard is by tabling them.

I'm at 24 KP, however, with the positional relay I'll try and keep as much of those as I can off the board.

I might just have to go guard this time.

24 here as well

28 here, Imperial Guard. In all honesty, I could/should trim it by another 6-8 points pretty easily.

Depends what VS of KP we be using (?) the one we have all come to agree on and hate:

KP for troop "choice" + varreid KP for other "units"

Or the suposedly official non-official rules espoused by GWUS sales teams in the various pevious threads:

Various KP for "FOC"

Lets see one way I get 22, the other way I get 22...Oh, guess it doesn't matter.

I guess people should also note the fact that in the 3rd mission, it is more important to capture both objectives than get the most KP. You grab both objectives and LOSE the KP war and still score a Mayor victory! So in 2 of the 3 missions, the battle is really about the objectives!

Yeah, it just came to me

Back down to 16 if the new KP is accurate.