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#1 Deffkoptas with twin-linked rokkits are lovely but should be assigned to outflank 90% of the time.
#2 Snikrot and his Kommandos do indeed reign terror. In 2 of 3 games they killed a HQ unit.
#3 Many people are not making the adjustment to TLOS easily.

Edit: post your lessons learned!

#1- 10 Meganobs is nigh unkillable.
#2- KFF grots will absorb 2 rounds of shooting from any army. And most people will shoot them.
#3- 200 Orks is too many to expect to finish a game. Plan for a round 3 or 4 finish if you are running a green tide.

dont play against orks

#1 Kill fast units early in objective based games (damn weaponless Land Speeders)

#2 Imperial Guard get crunched by terminators when I charge at them

#3 Deathwing/Ravenwing need to be very aggressive against Necrons, even with the C'tan

@natedogg710 #2: you don't say!

der Wiskinator wrote:@natedogg710 #2: you don't say!

Well I kind of already knew that Guardsmen die to terminators. What I really learned was that any Guard tank dies to terminators in combat just as easily (chainfist = dead Russ).

I learned that if you don't read the mission objectives, you'll find out at the end of the game that you lost.

Nice Whitedragon... Nice.

I liked giving the lessons honestly.

Lessons given:

1: If you charge Plague marines... you are FULLY committed for the rest of the game... the only way out is death so you better be sure. My opponents were not sure. LOL.

2: Anything I dont understand, I shoot it with oblits w/9 lascannons and ask questions later.

3: if you dont have a vehicle to hide in... Lash will own you.

1. Orks in Battlewagons with thrakka's wagggh equals 2nd, if not 1st turn charge every time.

2. Snikrot is broken

3. It's amazing, when sportsmanship isn't being scored, how nasty people can be.

theblklotus wrote:Nice Whitedragon... Nice.

I liked giving the lessons honestly.

Lessons given:

1: If you charge Plague marines... you are FULLY committed for the rest of the game... the only way out is death so you better be sure. My opponents were not sure. LOL.

2: Anything I dont understand, I shoot it with oblits w/9 lascannons and ask questions later.

3: if you dont have a vehicle to hide in... Lash will own you.

I like this format of lessons given

Lessons given:

1: Small arms fire is king in 5e, 170 shurikens in the air says so.

2: Anything I dont understand, I doom/Guide, bladestorm and ask questions later.

3: There are very little CC dangers in 40k to a shooting army that 20 Harlequins cannot solve....they're like a warm blanket.

4: Trying to shoot at naked prisms (that are on the edge of if not OUT of your range), and fortuned wave serpents moving flat out is a waste of your time.

1.) I hate guys with 2+ saves and an army with virtually no ap2 guns.

2.) I really hate whole units of guys armed with power weapons and power fists getting painfully close to my lines.

3.) I really, REALLY hate Deathwing.

1) People gearing up to face hordes creates some interesting opportunities. 10 Nurgle Bikers and 10 Nurgle Terminators are a hard backbone to kill, if rather expensive. And the higher cost of las/plas/fists in the newer books helps limit armies that still take the low AP road.

2) Multiple template weapons that do not scatter thanks to Icons are a thing of beauty.

3) You need at least 4 scoring units at 2500 points. I playtested at 3 and it was too inflexible. 4 worked.

4) Dawn of War helps my footsloggers out quite a bit. Please keep that coming for the Semis.

1: deal with a farseer and seer council as quickly as possible.

2: landraiders refuse to die.

3: shokk attak guns kain termies

4: termies are not to be laughed at.

5: battlewagons are great, just keep them away from lascannon dev's.

Killing a landraider took 3 turns from 3 close range oblits... I melta'd 3 X's and charged it 3X's to kill it. 3 full turns!!!! I knocked all the weapons off... immobilized and nothing. took me WAY too much effort.

Rending Genestealers is no longer an "I win button". Wow, wound allocation, d3 penetration, consolidating into "enemy fire" really reduces the scare tactic (my stealers didn't get shot up too bad as I usually stuck the stealers into combat where it was 1 genestealer squad vs 2 space marine units...but then my stealers did take more of a beating in CC). Taking down those pesky dreadnaughts took 4 assault turns with 22 genestealers...actually saved me from crushing defeat as they couldn't get shot up and ended up claiming the enemy objective but WTF... Terminators with mixed weapons plus wound allocation... WTFx2. Killing LR in CC with Flyrant priceless...untill passengers of said LR come out to kick your TMC since they are no longer auto pinned! Wow, complete change. Oh and don't forget your Horror checks for units assaulting HT.

#1. Get more games in. My first three of 5E were at 'Ard Boyz

#2. Avoid games with TMCs.

#3. I took all 5 objectives in game 1 with 3 scoring units spread out conga-line style.

#1) Given half the board, an Ork army will force you into the last 6 inchs.

#2) A unit of sluggas with a custom force field behind them will eventually die. But the rest of your boyz won't.

#3) Armour is nice. But more boyz is nicier.

#4) More troops on the table turn 1 is better then less.

#5) Nobz on bikes that are troops is far too good.

#6) An ork boss on a bike with a power klaw will do Evil Kenvil tricks through an imperial guard armoured company. And take no wounds from exploding vechiles.

#7) When a squad is at full, one man is worth nothing. When a squad is down to one man, that one is worth a whole lot of kill points.

#8) Saying that you're going to use your WAAAAGGGGGHHH worries your opponent. Yelling it at them frightens them. Which causes mistakes.

1) Don't do dick moves, deploying far enough forward that your opponent can't means that you loose a turn of firing, and that mech army will get the charge on you.

2) Bring a laser pointer, it means a lot less arguments over TLOS.

3) More autocannons, please.

killed 15 marines just buy blowing up pods +1 for open + 1 for ap1 means the blow up a lot.
all troops and hq start in dawn of war+ 2 lash sorcerers + 50 berzerkers+ going first= win.

1. Searchlights on Leman Russes are instant win in 2/3 'Ard Boyz scenarios.

1. MANZ w/ Ghazghkull is just brutal (guaranteed 6" fleet)
2. Lootas are to be feared!
3. Expect to see a ton of armor!

1. In a 2.5 hour game against a horde army, expect that turn 2 will be the last turn.
2. Plague marines cannot be shot out of a covered position if they go to ground.
3. Chaos rhino rush is back.

sparowl wrote:#1)
#5) Nobz on bikes that are troops is far too good.

I will definitively confirm this. I was able to get a unit of 6 converted, and just throwing them forward really screws up your opponent. They died every game, but they were probably my MVP. They required a lot of attention, but gave up very little. One KP in those missions is amazing, as if you charge anything besides a transport or guard, you will make your KPs back, and it is very unlikely that people will be able to kill you in just 1 round (unless their non-troops/HQ can choose where to come in right after you charged them forward).

So, lessons (kinda) given:

1) If you can't make reserve rolls, you will feel the hurt (really, my opponent made none of his reserve rolls, I made all of them, in the 2nd scenario).

2) Reading the objectives, and playing for them is important (if you are going to deny flank me, at least do it where there will be an objective for you to grab)

Lessons learned:

1) I'm not a fan of deffcoptas, they didn't really do anything in any of my games.

2) Being apathetic or pesimistic results in (at least an appearance) of bad sportsmanship.

Flavius Infernus wrote:1. In a 2.5 hour game against a horde army, expect that turn 2 will be the last turn.
2. Plague marines cannot be shot out of a covered position if they go to ground.
3. Chaos rhino rush is back.

I think Plague Marines are just...awesome. And how do you mean rhino rush?

Hmmm I learned these lessons a while ago, but...

1) Melta weapons kill tanks. Railguns and Conversion Beamers do too.

2) Negating cover OR causing tons of hits is the only way to kill the enemy outside of close combat.

3) Bring alot of guys, or alot of vehicles. Didn't bring either? You better be MC, bloodcrushers, or terminators...or you are dead in 5th edition.

sourclams wrote:1. Searchlights on Leman Russes are instant win in 2/3 'Ard Boyz scenarios.

LOL, not in my game. Maybe my opponent set up wrong, or had bad luck, but he did nothing to my Rhinos or units until it was too late.

My lessons learned:

1) Even one squad of Orks can do serious damage to a unit, if it's untouched.
2) Ghazghul and his attending nobs take a lot of firepower to destroy, but it's worth every shot.
3) If you ever play an Armored Company, the ceramite armor (ie anti-melta) is worth the points.
4) Deep striking terminators do not like plasma cannons, especially multiple ones.
5) Lash is good, but it's not going to win games for you, and it can fail you at the appropriate time if you rely on it too much.
6) Not everyone has fully transitioned into 5th ed yet. This will likely not be the case in the semifinals. Hopefully.

Stelek wrote:Hmmm I learned these lessons a while ago, but...

1) Melta weapons kill tanks. Railguns and Conversion Beamers do too.

How did you learn about Conversion Beamers? None of the 'Ard Boyz allowed armies had then?

1. Searchlight + Lash + 2 Battlecannon rounds = 10 dead Nob Bikers turn 1 (thank God they only gave up 1 kill point).

2. Nob Bikers (aside from the above) are stupidly good.

3. Lootas are situational.

4. Lots of fast moving Nobz can be a viable Ork army.

whitedragon wrote:

Stelek wrote:Hmmm I learned these lessons a while ago, but...

1) Melta weapons kill tanks. Railguns and Conversion Beamers do too.

How did you learn about Conversion Beamers? None of the 'Ard Boyz allowed armies had then?

He learned it a while ago? Which you quoted.

Fabricator General wrote:#3. I took all 5 objectives in game 1 with 3 scoring units spread out conga-line style.

Is this allowed?