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Something that I imagine I have in common with many WH/SoB players are units that sit on the shelf looking pretty, but never got a game because (in 4th at least) they were utter pants.

The two I have in mind are Repentia and Arco-flagellants. If they get to fight, they are pretty good, but are very expensive and die easily. Now that 5th has come along with its plethora of cover saves and the ability to run, are they worth dusting off?

Sisters Repentia - absolutely not. Still incredibly fragile on the way to the target, and then will lose half their numbers from cc before they even swing.

Arco-Flagellants - better. They're a hard unit that can move in fast when needed. Biggest issues are that they are expensive and that you need a Priest somewhere in the army to field them.

yeah at half the points cost sisters repentia "might" be worth it. but not at 20 points per model...

A 5th ed trick might be to have an allied sister repentia unit in a LRC, then atleast they would get the charge. Don't know if it's worth the 500+ points though.

That'd be a trick - as Repentia can never be transported in a vehicle.

What about a fighty WH inquisitor lord with a bunch of CC-oriented henchmen?

LOL... he said "fighty WH inquisitor lord" !!!

Silly Flavius.

I've had great success with a Canoness and Celestian retinue in an immolator. Canoness with a blessed weapon, Celestian Vet with an eviscerator. Lots of dead stuff and you can give them a 3+ invulnerable save if they REALLY need it.

stjohn70 wrote:LOL... he said "fighty WH inquisitor lord" !!!

Silly Flavius.

I can dream, cant I? Sigh.

Oh wait, now I remember what I was thinking.

An inquisitor lord has the advantage of being able to *decide* to hold or break, as long as he's alive, and regardless of casualties. So a tarpitting Inq Lord unit is theoretically explorable.

@stjohn70 - I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Arcos are better than Repentia, but need a priest to field.
The only useful place to put a priest is.... in a unit of Repentia!. So, that's 275pts for Mistress + 9 Repentia + Priest with Eviscerator before I get to spend 175pts for my 5 Arcos.

Oh well, back on the shelf until the next version of the codex comes out.


Oh, wait......

Could penitent engine be discussed as "close cmobat unit" here?

Sure.

As soon as they aren't:

80 points.
Open topped.
Crap.
Did I mention crap?

lol

Honestly 5-8 seraphim with an evisc arent that bad, easy to get invuln saves, can weaken the unit youre charging with 2 flamers(or melta pistols), but its certainly not a dedicated close combat unit, you just need to pick and choose your battles, I had a few games this weekend where seraphim charges made a huge difference. and with hit and run it makes it better.

Death Cult Assassins are viable.

Death Cult assassins--and regular assassins too--are also worth 1KP per model. And they can't hide as many places anymore.

DCA's are a liability in 5e. As flavius pointed out, they are worth a KP in those missions. In all other missions, you can no longer hide them from enemy fire so they die quickly to shooting. And if you do manage to get into combat with them, because of the Counter-Assault Move, you will kill one model and then be swept from the table.
woohoo.

I still think the callidus is viable, maybe not so much if youre not taking an inquisitor, but 120 pts for a garunteed charge against anything, Dev squads and rangers come to mind, but with the template and a charge she could probably take out a unit of 5-6 terminators. plus the jump back and word in your ear special rules makes deciding where and when you want to fight very easy, which is always a good thing

The Callidus' template wounds against leadership. The only time I've really brought the pain with a Callidus assassin was when I paired her with a Culexus (which drops all units within 12" to Ld7) and ran circles around the board.

Oh but that was Apocalypse and there were 5 pairs of assassins.