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The reason why I bring this up is because the main rulebook does specify that codex special rules such as smoke still follow old army codecies. Therefore DA smoke launchers are always glancing and combat squads are not scoring when below half if you combat squad. (Main rule book, p. 62, bottom paragraph of smoke launchers)

all troop choices are scoring to the last man iirc

The DA Codex cite a specific exception.

I would ignore that exception, as the DA Codex also says devastator squads are scoring and that isn't true either.

You are right, onlainari. I hadn't thought about it that way.

As an aside. Why aren't DA Devastators scoring (keeping the exception in mind)? I mean, why wouldn't that be a chapter specefic rule?

You need to follow the codex rules.

With that said, it seems like an area perfect for talking about before the game.

Actually, the Rulebook overrules the Codex in this case, seeing as the Codex is older.

Ergo, Combat Squads score as long as there is at least one model left. Devastators, being a Heavy Support choice, do not score, ever.

Do the 5th Edition rules even use the term "Scoring" anymore? I thought that troops can "Control" objectives, while other units can "Contest" objectives.

Can someone check on that? If it's true, then it doesn't matter if something is "Scoring" or not.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Actually, the Rulebook overrules the Codex in this case, seeing as the Codex is older.

Ergo, Combat Squads score as long as there is at least one model left. Devastators, being a Heavy Support choice, do not score, ever.

Actually, GW has come out and said that codex specific rules override the main rulebook. In fact, the DA Troop Lanspeeder as a scoring unit was specifically addressed by Jervis in an interview. Ergo, by RAW, the DA have their own rules for what is scoring and what is not.

With that said, I don't know anyone that is actually playing it that way and at the Vegas GT my one DA opponent and I discussed it very briefly, didn't matter in our game as it was Annihilation.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Actually, the Rulebook overrules the Codex in this case, seeing as the Codex is older.

If you provide a quote and a page number for that rule, I'll do the same for the rule stating that Codex overrides Rulebook.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Actually, the Rulebook overrules the Codex in this case, seeing as the Codex is older.

If you provide a quote and a page number for that rule, I'll do the same for the rule stating that Codex overrides Rulebook.

Close thread.

don_mondo wrote:Actually, GW has come out and said that codex specific rules override the main rulebook. In fact, the DA Troop Lanspeeder as a scoring unit was specifically addressed by Jervis in an interview. Ergo, by RAW, the DA have their own rules for what is scoring and what is not.

With that said, I don't know anyone that is actually playing it that way and at the Vegas GT my one DA opponent and I discussed it very briefly, didn't matter in our game as it was Annihilation.

What did Jervis say in the interview? I missed that one

Read p. 62 of main rulebook, where it clearly states that codex overrides rulebook. Final paragraph under smoke launchers. (Hence why smoke launchers are always glancing hits for Dark Angels). It's very clear cut.

What in the Dark Angels codex would make the Troop landspeeder a scoring unit? It is clearly a troops unit, but is a vehicle, which is one of the categories of troops that do not score. It's the same issue as a troops deffdread in a big mek army right?

The etc. in the combat squads part makes me think that one should just follow the current rules for squads and when they score.

THe smoke launchers thing probably is not a big deal either way, but the bottom of p62 is pretty clear.

So you are saying that my Devastator and Assault Squads are now scoring? Also, my Landspeeder Tornados are as well?

Sure, ok.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Lormax, memory served me incorrectly, it was Dev squads, not landspeeders, but same principle applies.
biz, yep, since it has a line that specifically says the landspeeder is a scoring unit.
Oz, same thing.

http://www.ageofstrife.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=15617#15617

"- Codex Overrides Rulebook
this mantra is a tool to resolving rules issues: a codex will always override the rulebook - even an old codex. i used the DA Combat Squads question as an example here to see just how far Jervis was willing to push this method, with suprising results: when the DA Codex says a certain unit is Scoring, it doesnt matter what the new 5th ed rules on Scoring Units say, that unit is Scoring (Devastators, for example).
the only exception is if they errata the rule. so until it gets changes in an errata, DA can have 30 Scoring Units (or whatever it is) vs their opponent's 6 (in most cases)."

Ozymandias wrote:So you are saying that my Devastator and Assault Squads are now scoring? Also, my Landspeeder Tornados are as well?

Sure, ok.

That's because they aren't Mars Pattern. Mars Pattern makes it harder to score. Just ask Alessio. Hurr.

so are all my combat squaded DA scoring?

Yes, all Combat squaded DA are scoring, assuming they are not below half.

I'm assuming it will get put in an FAQ eventually. Until then, we'll be running our tournies and leagues with only non vehicle troops as scoring, regardless of lines in old codices.

Nobody has tried to play it this way yet, and I won't be encouraging them to. It would only start a big round of "who can find the biggest loophole to exploit".

Seriously! I play Dark Angels and I wouldn't try to count my Speeders and Combat Squadded Dev squads as scoring.

That's just asking to get a punch to the head.

Ozymandias, King of Kings