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Clinton took offense of the attempted plan to kill Bush Sr. hence the strikes into Iraq during his tenure as POTUS
Isn't Bill and Bush Sr like good friends?
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So, apparently allowing floods of immigrants from the middle east has also allowed ISIS sympathizers to immigrate to Sweden in sufficient numbers to form ranks.
Sophie Alexander wrote:'Convert or die' ISIS graffiti jihadis declare first European 'caliphate'
ISLAMIC State graffiti has appeared in a European city as sympathizers of the group claim "the caliphate is here".
TERRORISTS: ISIS sympathizers have graffitied the walls of restaurants in Sweden
The terror group's logo was daubed on the wall of a restaurant in Gothenburg, Sweden.
Chilling messages such as "convert or die" and "the caliphate is here" were also found covering the outside of Markus Samuelsson's bakery.
"I felt a sudden chill down my spine. It’s terribly painful, we feel threatened," Samuelsson said.
FEAR: Jihadis are targeting Christians in Sweden – like they did in Iraq
The Arabic letter for "N" – which has been used to identify Christians and drive them out of their homes by ISIS fighters – was also painted on the restaurant.
Gothenburg is a hotbed for jihadist recruiting, terrorism expert Magnus Ranstorp described it as "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists".
Cops have launched a probe into the incident and will no doubt be on high alert in fear of a potential attack.
It was reported by local media earlier this year that at least 150 future terrorists had left the city to join ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
It is thought ISIS sympathisers are targeting Sweden's Assyrian Christian community – just as they did in Mosul, Iraq, before seizing the city.
Fleeing ISIS fighters have been shaving off their beards and dressing as women to escape to the West – after realising a life of bloodthirsty terror is not for them.
Affirming news recently came to light that the second in command of the evil group was killed in a US air strike.
ISIS could be on its last legs after sustaining colossal damage after a continual swathe of bombings by Vladimir Putin's Russian troops.
I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
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Even the Prophet would pause and think about going out in the cold there.
Hell I landed there in 2010 trying to go home for R&R and decided not go out in the cold to smoke from a 12 hour bounce around flight due to the volcano from Iceland
Fine line between Hardcore and outright Dumb
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Breotan wrote: So, apparently allowing floods of immigrants from the middle east has also allowed ISIS sympathizers to immigrate to Sweden in sufficient numbers to form ranks.
Why does Battlefield 2040 sound possible? (2040 right? Enjoyed the Hell out of that one)
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Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
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Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
And how exactly does the Swedish government "save thousands of lives"?
And does the Swedish government think enough about the long term? These immigrants, can they be completely integrated in society? Will they have good jobs and houses, or are they essentially condemned to a live of poverty in an ethnic ghetto, like is the fate of many immigrants to the Netherlands?
And does the Swedish government think enough about the long term? These immigrants, can they be completely integrated in society? Will they have good jobs and houses, or are they essentially condemned to a live of poverty in an ethnic ghetto, like is the fate of many immigrants to the Netherlands?
Here's a novel idea.... Don't want to fight for your own country? Don't expect gak from "ours". On the more pragmatic side, what skills do any of these men have, that will be accepted as transferable into a 1st world country's established systems? I truly doubt that a doctor by Syrian standards would even meet the minimum nursing requirements for Sweden. And that's probably going to be true almost across the board for any kind of job that has any sort of standard or guideline.
And does the Swedish government think enough about the long term? These immigrants, can they be completely integrated in society? Will they have good jobs and houses, or are they essentially condemned to a live of poverty in an ethnic ghetto, like is the fate of many immigrants to the Netherlands?
Here's a novel idea.... Don't want to fight for your own country? Don't expect gak from "ours". On the more pragmatic side, what skills do any of these men have, that will be accepted as transferable into a 1st world country's established systems? I truly doubt that a doctor by Syrian standards would even meet the minimum nursing requirements for Sweden. And that's probably going to be true almost across the board for any kind of job that has any sort of standard or guideline.
Thats not necessarily true. If the person has an actual degree they almost certainly got an education equivalent enough to practice medicine. Such people are just less common in the Middle East, particularly in the areas effected. Lots of people from that region get their higher education in western countries, including these terrorists. Its kinda surprising how many of terrorists have degrees from rather prestigious institutions.
If someone was a practicing doctor in a major city, he was probably educated somewhere official. If he was just the local medicine man in some backwater then no. I'm sure the refugees contain both types of people.
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Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
I've heard the violent crime and rape stats have jumped through the roof in Sweden over the last 10 years?
Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
I've heard the violent crime and rape stats have jumped through the roof in Sweden over the last 10 years?
Im sure someone will say its just those pesky victims skewing the statistics by reporting to the police. To think they have the nerve to report a crime!
And does the Swedish government think enough about the long term? These immigrants, can they be completely integrated in society? Will they have good jobs and houses, or are they essentially condemned to a live of poverty in an ethnic ghetto, like is the fate of many immigrants to the Netherlands?
Here's a novel idea.... Don't want to fight for your own country? Don't expect gak from "ours". On the more pragmatic side, what skills do any of these men have, that will be accepted as transferable into a 1st world country's established systems? I truly doubt that a doctor by Syrian standards would even meet the minimum nursing requirements for Sweden. And that's probably going to be true almost across the board for any kind of job that has any sort of standard or guideline.
Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
I've heard the violent crime and rape stats have jumped through the roof in Sweden over the last 10 years?
Violent crime is steadily being reduced, and the reason rape is so high is because we've got what is arguably the broadest definition of rape in the world. There's also been a concious effort for at least 10 years to get people to actually report rapes to the police.
Breotan wrote: I know Swedes seem to consider themselves the epitome of tolerance and inclusiveness but how deep in denial must members of the Swedish government be if Gothenburg can become "the Swedish Centre for Jihadists"?
Not in denial, but rather seeing the tradeoff of being able to save thousands of lives worth the increased risk.
And how exactly does the Swedish government "save thousands of lives"?
And does the Swedish government think enough about the long term? These immigrants, can they be completely integrated in society? Will they have good jobs and houses, or are they essentially condemned to a live of poverty in an ethnic ghetto, like is the fate of many immigrants to the Netherlands?
The same thing was said in the 90s about refugees from the Balkans. They seem to have integrated well enough.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: The same thing was said in the 90s about refugees from the Balkans. They seem to have integrated well enough.
The cultural difference between people from the Balkans and Sweden is much, much smaller than the difference between Swedish and Arab culture though. While there will of course be people who can integrate just fine, I have a feeling that for many of them, it will be incredibly hard.
The cultural difference between people from the Balkans and Sweden is much, much smaller than the difference between Swedish and Arab culture though. While there will of course be people who can integrate just fine, I have a feeling that for many of them, it will be incredibly hard.
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Tell me then, how many Syrian "mechanics" have had the kind of training needed to work in an industrialized country as a mechanic? How many electricians have IEEE (really, whatever the Swedish equivalent is) certification?
On top of all that.... IF they are refugees, where are the damn women and children? Based on photo and video that I've seen on this crisis, I think saying that 10% of the refugees are women and children may be generous. Which means this isn't really a refugee crisis. These "men" are cowards, plain and simple.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: The same thing was said in the 90s about refugees from the Balkans. They seem to have integrated well enough.
The cultural difference between people from the Balkans and Sweden is much, much smaller than the difference between Swedish and Arab culture though. While there will of course be people who can integrate just fine, I have a feeling that for many of them, it will be incredibly hard.
So... because it's difficult to assimilate, that means the West should bend over backwards to cater to them? Assimilation/integration is hard, so they shouldn't even try? Give me a break.
So... because it's difficult to assimilate, that means the West should bend over backwards to cater to them? Assimilation/integration is hard, so they shouldn't even try? Give me a break.
Sigh. Can you stop misinterpreting what other people write ?
Regarding where are the women and children... I read an article about that where the men day they leave family behind hoping to be able to get then in the future and that the challenges and dangers of the journey makes bringing their family very risky. See that drowned boy for example. Not saying I agree with or accept that story (don't have enough info), but that is what is offered to explain the situation.
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So... because it's difficult to assimilate, that means the West should bend over backwards to cater to them? Assimilation/integration is hard, so they shouldn't even try? Give me a break.
Sigh. Can you stop misinterpreting what other people write ?
It's the logical conclusion.... Look at what has happened over the past few years. The UK, France, Germany and many other countries are seeing more and more protests from the Muslim community, pushing for "Sharia Law". When I was living in Germany, the people doing the protesting had lived there for 20+ years.
Yet clearly, they are "trying" to assimilate and integrate right?
As for the story of leaving women and kids behind to "go back later", IMHO is a bunch of bullgak. You DONT leave women and children behind in a warzone to "go back for them" later. Seriously, this is just a bunch of fething cowards running instead of protecting what's theirs.
Ensis, Iron Captain only said that integration may be difficult for some. He did NOT say that he thinks they shouldn't even try. He's on your side of the argument.
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Gwaihirsbrother wrote: Regarding where are the women and children... I read an article about that where the men day they leave family behind hoping to be able to get then in the future and that the challenges and dangers of the journey makes bringing their family very risky. See that drowned boy for example. Not saying I agree with or accept that story (don't have enough info), but that is what is offered to explain the situation.
As opposed to the challenges and dangers of cutting out and leaving them behind in a warzone with a force that routinely decapitates people on a whim and sexually enslaves women?
I'm 100% with Enris on this. If these men are truly running out on their families, then they are nothing but cowards who are going to be a pain in the ass for whatever country they hole up in.
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