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**Easy E**

whembly wrote:
Declare War Congress/Mr. President.

Otherwise... don't bother.

How do you declare war against a non-state actor?

IDK

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Frazzled wrote:
Attacking them while our borders are open is an invitation to disaster. There are already reports of plans to cross from the South and launch attacks.

Sorry but Islamic terrorism has been occurring for a thousand years. Even the Ottomans had to deal with it.

What will happen is we will bomb them. The countries with skin in the game bordering them will continue to do...nothing.

Sorry I'm too old a bunny. I've seen this Tv show like four times already.

Fraz, I thought it was better to fight them overthere than fight them here?

**Wilytank**

This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

**Frazzled**

Easy E wrote:
whembly wrote:
Declare War Congress/Mr. President.

Otherwise... don't bother.

How do you declare war against a non-state actor?

IDK

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Frazzled wrote:
Attacking them while our borders are open is an invitation to disaster. There are already reports of plans to cross from the South and launch attacks.

Sorry but Islamic terrorism has been occurring for a thousand years. Even the Ottomans had to deal with it.

What will happen is we will bomb them. The countries with skin in the game bordering them will continue to do...nothing.

Sorry I'm too old a bunny. I've seen this Tv show like four times already.

Fraz, I thought it was better to fight them overthere than fight them here?

No its better to have secure borders so we could care less. If its good enough for Switzerland its good enough for us.

**Malika2**

Wilytank wrote:
This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

**Dreadclaw69**

Easy E wrote:
whembly wrote:
Declare War Congress/Mr. President.

Otherwise... don't bother.

How do you declare war against a non-state actor?

IDK

How was it done against Al-Qaeda?

**CthuluIsSpy**

motyak wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Apparently SBS in Australia is delaying the launch of Season 2 of Danger 5 because of ISIS, so now we know the true cost of all this.

Spoiler:

Dear Fans of Danger 5,

It is with our deepest disappointment and sadness that we announce a decision has been made to delay the broadcast of Danger 5 Series 2 on SBS. This is due to unforeseen international news events and the recent ISIS actions and it’s felt in the current climate the series might not be received in the comedic spirit in which it was created.

Unfortunately this delay is completely out of our control and the entire team at Danger 5 and Dinosaur are truly devastated.

At this stage we're unaware of when Series 2 will air, but as soon as we do, you will be the first to know.

We hope that you will stick by us until this time as we do everything we can to show you what has taken the entire team thousands of hours of hard work, sweat and a few tears.

So, in the interest of making the anticipation unbearable, we will share with you (TONIGHT at 7.30pm Thursday 11 September AEST) the Official Trailer for Danger 5 Series 2.

We will be back to kill Hitler once and for all.

Love, the D5 team

Holy gak this is a show?

"American GIs are being decimated by Nazi dinosaurs all over the Western front. Danger 5 heads to Belgium to investigate and has a series of close shaves with a trigger-happy Triceratops and a perverted Nazi Pterodactyl. Claire discovers that the dinosaurs have all been implanted with a mysterious type of crystal, native to Antarctica and Danger 5 embark on a journey to the South Pole. Antarctica proves to be a lost plateau of prehistoric wonder where Danger 5 encounter the bizarre Dr Josef Mengele and his sinister volcano base filled with Nazi dinosaur minions."

That's a synopsis of an episode. How have I not seen this.

I don't know what I just read, but I do know that it sounds awesome

**gorgon**

Wilytank wrote:
This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

I suppose I'm dating myself for thinking of her.

She was quite the fox, though.

**Dreadclaw69**

whembly wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Did anyone else hear that noise? It sounded like a tired paper tiger trying to bypass a bunch of people on a hill, in order to attack a poisonous, angry octopus, while simultaneously drawing down the strength it its claws. It was a very frightening sound.

Heh... the hypocrisy is galling...

A) I'm waiting for Democrats to push Obama to get UN approval...

B) I'm waiting for an actual Declaration of War and/or Congressional Authorizations...

C) I'm waiting for Democrats to hammer Obama for "going at it alone", with his 9-nation coalition (Bush had 40+ nations)...

D) The schadenfreude is especially delicious.

*I don't mind "going to War to destroy ISIS"... I just want the following:
1) Have a real fething plan with clear objectives
2) What is "victory"?
3) What's the exit strategy?
4) Then, have Congress vote on it clearly.

You might be waiting a long time

For what it is worth I'd like to see something that is quantifiable, and with clear objectives. We went into Afghanistan initially to deal with non-state actors, then the mission expanded beyond it's original scope.

**easysauce**

the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

**Wilytank**

gorgon wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

I suppose I'm dating myself for thinking of her.

Spoiler:

She was quite the fox, though.

I have a friend who has named his pet cat Isis tell me that she (the cat) has been dealing with severe psychological stress due to all this and is currently on anti-depressants.

**Dreadclaw69**

easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

After trying to work against Syria for months, castigating them for civilian casualties in the media, downplaying attacks by rebels, openly talking about assisting the rebels, and Russia's support of Syria (the same Russia causing trouble in Ukraine) makes any sort of cooperation a little bit tricky to handle.

**Frazzled**

easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

Wait so we're bombing Syria without their consent to kill terrorists who are pledged to bring down the Syrian government? Can someone get me a play book?

**Jihadin**

I can see Syria Air Defense getting some shots in on ISI......wait....

**Dreadclaw69**

Frazzled wrote:
Wait so we're bombing Syria without their consent to kill terrorists who are pledged to bring down the Syrian government? Can someone get me a play book?

Sure. It's from Alien v Predator; whoever wins we lose

**squidhills**

Malika2 wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

THIS. This is the reason that I want ISIS destroyed more than anything else. I want those fethers ground into dust, then I want the dust loaded onto a rocket and fired into the sun. I want all trace of them removed from Earth and I want their name erased from history. Because I spent $15 on a shirt with that logo on it three weeks ago and I haven't been able to wear it in public once, yet.

**Grey Templar**

easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

You could argue that if a country has portions of its land being held by a hostile force it no longer has jurisdiction over that area. If you can't hold it, its no longer yours. It belongs to whoever is holding it.

**Jihadin**

squidhills wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
This is a little old news, but it really sucks that the ISIS name is ruining certain non-related things. The band Isis has been getting a lot of unwanted press despite having split up four years ago. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363

THIS. This is the reason that I want ISIS destroyed more than anything else. I want those fethers ground into dust, then I want the dust loaded onto a rocket and fired into the sun. I want all trace of them removed from Earth and I want their name erased from history. Because I spent $15 on a shirt with that logo on it three weeks ago and I haven't been able to wear it in public once, yet.

ISIS been in the News longer then that.

**Ifurita**

"Leading from the front" while promising no boots on the ground sounds an awful lot like "pushing from the back". Egyptian Vipers .... very dangerous ... you go first.

**Frazzled**

Grey Templar wrote:
easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

You could argue that if a country has portions of its land being held by a hostile force it no longer has jurisdiction over that area. If you can't hold it, its no longer yours. It belongs to whoever is holding it.

You could argue it until the SAMs start coming your way.

**whembly**

I just can't stop laughing at Obama's insistence on claiming the Islamic State is not Islamic.

**Hordini**

whembly wrote:
I just can't stop laughing at Obama's insistence on claiming the Islamic State is not Islamic.

I get what he was trying to say, the way he said it just didn't come out right.

**Dreadclaw69**

So what does the first I in ISIS/ISIL stand for then?

**Jihadin**

"Iffy" maybe?

**MrDwhitey**

Grey Templar wrote:
easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

You could argue that if a country has portions of its land being held by a hostile force it no longer has jurisdiction over that area. If you can't hold it, its no longer yours. It belongs to whoever is holding it.

Oh hi Putin.

**Hordini**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So what does the first I in ISIS/ISIL stand for then?

Are you asking me, or Obama?

**Jihadin**

Hordini wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So what does the first I in ISIS/ISIL stand for then?

Are you asking me, or Obama?

Forgot to add Psaki in that

**Grey Templar**

MrDwhitey wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
easysauce wrote:
the legality of bombing countries without their permission also comes to mind...

not sure why obama rejected syrias offer to help either, seems like getting the country where your attacks would land on the same page as you would be a good idea.

Nothing will ever be solved until we have marines drop podding in within minutes from low orbit every time someone sounds the "freedoooooooom" signal.

You could argue that if a country has portions of its land being held by a hostile force it no longer has jurisdiction over that area. If you can't hold it, its no longer yours. It belongs to whoever is holding it.

Oh hi Putin.

I'm not saying its right. Just that you could make the argument.

**Hordini**

Jihadin wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So what does the first I in ISIS/ISIL stand for then?

Are you asking me, or Obama?

Forgot to add Psaki in that

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

**whembly**

Hordini wrote:
whembly wrote:
I just can't stop laughing at Obama's insistence on claiming the Islamic State is not Islamic.

I get what he was trying to say, the way he said it just didn't come out right.

Even then... I think it's a problematic concept.

I don't like the idea that Muslims are so easily excused for these horrible actors...

We always seem to rush to the podium to reassure the Muslim world that none of us think any ill of them for the army of psychopaths that keep marching out of their ranks. (Bush did this too)

I know we can't blame the Muslim world for everything these terrorist do...

Meh...

I go back to idea that if we're going to commit any forces (even if it's just droning), we need to have the full backing of Congress AND clear/concise objectives.

**Hordini**

What good would it do to antagonize the majority of Muslims who aren't extremists?