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I had a thought earlier. How, exactly, would an Imperial Guard army get around on the ground?

I figure that the footsloggers would be loaded into trucks for every squad or two, platoon command squads in staff cars, cargo trucks, and tanks and artillery loaded onto trailers for road transport.

So, naturally, the source for these would fall to 1:35 or similar models for real-world vehicles.

However, this raises more questions:
What era would I actually use?
How would I imperial-ify and 40K-ify them?
What scale does 40K match best?
And would I need to bodge up wheeled versions of things like the Hydra flak tank to stick with the idea of no tracks on the ground?

It all really depends on what army you choose. Death Korps would of course be fine with some German WWI stuff while Cadians would probably need some of the more modern logistics vehicles.

To imperial-ify them you could try giving it a gothic look and do some work on insignias and engines.

40K is 1:60, isn't it? But what I know there are not a lot of 1:60 models out there, but it would probably be best to go with something larger.

As for the no tracks idea I suggest you read up on the German offensive/retreat in Russia, WWII. Wheels tend to be a bad choice when the weather gets rough. But then again, it all depends on your army, how their usual battlefields look and yada yada.

The the Death Korps have that Gorgon. At least I think thats what its called. They carry 40 models. The new superheavy from the ReLOAD book carries like 20 or 30 somthing like that.

Check out the 1/48 and 1/35 models on the Hobby Link Japan site. There's a variety of lorries, cars and tank transporters.

http://www.hlj.com/index.html

You can usually get these models locally but these guys have them all conveniently listed.

40K figures can match well to 1/48 models because the GW vehicle models are undersized. OTOH if you want really big vehicles, go for 1/35.

To "Imperify" a model replace some of the smooth curved bits with flat panels, and add a load of rivets. But make it look neat, not like an Ork vehicle.

And stick a few eagles on.

Vargtass wrote:It all really depends on what army you choose. Death Korps would of course be fine with some German WWI stuff while Cadians would probably need some of the more modern logistics vehicles.

To imperial-ify them you could try giving it a gothic look and do some work on insignias and engines.

40K is 1:60, isn't it? But what I know there are not a lot of 1:60 models out there, but it would probably be best to go with something larger.

As for the no tracks idea I suggest you read up on the German offensive/retreat in Russia, WWII. Wheels tend to be a bad choice when the weather gets rough. But then again, it all depends on your army, how their usual battlefields look and yada yada.

I'm aiming for my force to be made for use on civilised worlds similar to 20th/21st century Terra, with lots of roads and fields and stuff. Or at least deployed there.

As for my usual battlefield, it's either a grass mat or an oak table.

the newish ork trukk is actually a perfectly sensible truck underneath the orky bling. With some conversion work and replacing the orky-looking bits with more IGish bits (I'm sure any local ork players will be happy to buy the orky bits off you), you'd end up with a fine IG troop truck.

A tank transporter tractor and trailer would be a cool project. I've seen a few uninspired ones (bits stuck onto the Tamiya US tank transporter kit). A trailer would be pretty easy - lotsa wheels under some girders. But a convincing looking tractor will be harder -maybe an armoured one, based on a wheeled Chimera?

If you design them carefully, they'd make nice terrain for actual games.

This is kind of cool.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HOB82430

A rather fun little car.
http://www.hlj.com/product/PITG-10

Bren gun carrier looks fairly Imperial -- might work better in 1/35. There was another thread about using this for some IG vehicle.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32516

I like this lorry.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32534
and this one.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32549

Soviet equivalent of a Jeep.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32542

Classic US Army 2.5 ton truck
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32548

This is a bit different looking.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32553

Take the gun mount off this and it could work as a armoured lorry.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32556

Unfortunately there aren't any 1/48 scale tank transporters.

The problem I have had with using WWI or WWII vehicles is that they blatently look like WWI and WWII vehicles, if you only do a little bit of converting. However, they would make good bases for a vehicle, rather than starting from the ground up. WH40k Imperial vehicles are flat panelled and use broad strokes. Whatever you end up using don't put in too much detail, and replace curved areas with flat panels, as said before. Easiest way to do that is to glue things together, then carefully snip out the curved areas and make the replacement panels slightly larger than the hole you're filling. Plasticard should shave down nicely, then sand and greenstuff.

I have been wanting to do the truck idea for a looooong time. I hope you succeed where I have procrastinated.

I think 1/51 scale to 1/43 scale vehicles would be more suitable for 40K as they have seats, doors etc that are more to scale.
The site below is for diecast models but you could also take a 40k figure to a toy shop and see what toys are about the right size.

http://www.militarydiecast.com/search.php?Manufacturer_ID=148&Mil=&action=Search&mode=search&nrows=20&order=Picture&reverse=1&table=Models

The 1/43 stuff seems to have the best selection though they do seem to be expensive if you can find them. But it gives an idea of what's out there.

Kilkrazy wrote:Bren gun carrier looks fairly Imperial -- might work better in 1/35. There was another thread about using this for some IG vehicle.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32516

I'm guessing that would be Forgeworld's 'centaur which is a light carrier for the DKOKreig. The first time I saw it I thought it looked like the universal Bren gun carrier.

That's a lovely haul, cadbren. Lots of good vehicles out there, especially ones that aren't quite so familiar to everyone from movies and documentaries like a Jeep or a Hummer would be. Your best bet would be 1/43 diecast models. Not only is there a better assortment of cars and trucks in that scale, but metal-bodied preassembled models withstand gaming better than plastic kits

cadbren wrote:The 1/43 stuff seems to have the best selection though they do seem to be expensive if you can find them. But it gives an idea of what's out there.
(Horde of pics cut for quotage)

That is awesome. Where'd you find them? They have an online store?

There are some great models in that lot.

The other advantage of die-cast is it comes ready assembled and painted.

You still may want to add some rivets and eagles or course.

I'm mainly looking for plastic models I can convert to my whim, though.

Here's my latest attempt at a staff car/armored limo

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/219120.page

You should also check with the Work In Progress forum they have incredible stuff.

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?act=idx

One idea I'm playing with is take a rhino, build the front cab but leave off the roof and back. maybe cut off the last angled area (after the rear smoke stacks) and join it to a second rhino to make something open topped about 2 rhinos long.

By the way, I love that last truck, what is it?

cadbren wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Bren gun carrier looks fairly Imperial -- might work better in 1/35. There was another thread about using this for some IG vehicle.
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM32516

I'm guessing that would be Forgeworld's 'centaur which is a light carrier for the DKOKreig. The first time I saw it I thought it looked like the universal Bren gun carrier.

I guess that's in reference to my thread discussing that very topic. Some points that came up in that thread were:

- For bigger vehicles (tanks and such) 1:48 scale is usually a better fit.
- However, for smaller vehicles (Like the centaur/bren carrier) 1:35 scale is way more realistic. For instance, the 1:48 Bren carrier model from Tamiya was way undersized, while the 1:35 was almost exactly the same size as the FW original centaur. Here's the link to the discussion thread, I'll update it with comparison pictures and sizes as soon as I'm able -
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/216679.page#358450 and also this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/205266.page#208626
Oh, and rivets! Nothing says Imperial like rivets!

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Rivets? How would I get those? Cut up plastic rod, or something?

I've heard that a hole punch and just about any plasticard (old and/or unwanted credit cards) work nicely for making rivets...

i bought a 1/35 scale MkIV Male (British WW1) to use as a malcador. i took it to my local GW and a number of people picked it up and asked if it was FW! (! - due to the weight difference between plastic & resin). It only cost £18. I've just received some FW brass-etched renegade symbol & will post once they're in place.

Skorpion wrote:Rivets? How would I get those? Cut up plastic rod, or something?

Here's an Article about making studs and domed rivets. http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Adding_Studs_to_Your_Models

I don't know if the PVA glue rivet would stand up to the handling got by the hull of a vehicle.

Here's a video about making flush head rivets on aircraft. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxgE0RVY38

Bolt heads are hexagonal. You could make those out of plastic rod or green stuff. It's probably rather fiddly.

Here's a model detailing kit consisting of armour retaining bolts -- these could look good on a big vehicle. There must be more kits like this out there.

Skorpion wrote:

Vargtass wrote:It all really depends on what army you choose. Death Korps would of course be fine with some German WWI stuff while Cadians would probably need some of the more modern logistics vehicles.

To imperial-ify them you could try giving it a gothic look and do some work on insignias and engines.

40K is 1:60, isn't it? But what I know there are not a lot of 1:60 models out there, but it would probably be best to go with something larger.

As for the no tracks idea I suggest you read up on the German offensive/retreat in Russia, WWII. Wheels tend to be a bad choice when the weather gets rough. But then again, it all depends on your army, how their usual battlefields look and yada yada.

I'm aiming for my force to be made for use on civilised worlds similar to 20th/21st century Terra, with lots of roads and fields and stuff. Or at least deployed there.

As for my usual battlefield, it's either a grass mat or an oak table.

Try looking for the OSHKOSH M977 HEMTT. Its the current US military transport vehicle and looks modern.

Check out Ramshackle games too.



http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6

Ooooh. Certainly LOOKS sorta Imperial. With a few eagles, and maybe the hatch ring off the accessory sprue, it'll fit.

EDIT:
I also had in mind a 3-axle generic-ish truck for loading up with guardsmen. Any ideas?

Also, should I bother making rules for the models produced as a result of this so they can be used in a scenario, or just leave them as a diorama sorta thing?

You could always make a land train. Like the old squats from EPIC

Number ten on the pix list up above could be handmade pretty easily.

yea ive been wanting to use those sorts for my Ork vehicles. i enjoy modding and the fact that you can buy those cheaper then most GW vehicles is a plus

How about a Hagglunds BV206 amphibious troop transport?

Paint it in bright colours and fill it with circus midgets. I see that the soldier at the front has his head bowed in shame at having to ride on that thing.
But yes, that's the crazy kind of thing some guard unit would scrounge up to use.