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Well, if you've been paying attention to my Chaos Daemons WIP Blog, you know that I'm planning on taking a Chaos Daemons army to the Chicago GT. As it looks like my army is almost ready (sans basing and a display board), here's the list that I'm thinking of taking.

Now, if anyone has any suggestions...please note that the models available are limited to pretty much what you see in the WIP Blog.

HQ: Skulltaker on a Juggernaut (175)
HQ: The Bluescribes (130)
HQ: Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery (100)
HQ: Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery (100)

E: 4 Bloodcrushers of Khorne, Chaos Icon (185)
E: 4 Flamers of Tzeentch (140)

T: 9 Horrors, Changeling, Bolt of Tzeentch (168)
T: 5 Horrors, Bolt of Tzeentch (95)
T: 5 Horrors, Bolt of Tzeentch (95)
T: 10 Plaguebearers, Chaos Icon (175)

FA: 4 Screamers (64)

HS: Soul Grinder, Phlegm (160)
HS: Soul Grinder, Phlegm (160)

FYI, extra models I have left over:

2 more Flamers
6 more horrors (including 1 more blue horror)
5 more plaguebearers (including 1 standard)
2 more screamers

A partially painted Lord of Change.
Potentially, a Great Unclean One (should be arriving...based on what happened here, as long as I receive it by Tuesday, having it ready by the weekend would not be inconceivable.

Are Horrors any good?

Tacobake wrote:Are Horrors any good?

In playtesting, they make any enemy infantry with a 4+ or worse save cry. And for T3 units, they tend to be remarkably resilient.

Centurian99 wrote:

Tacobake wrote:Are Horrors any good?

In playtesting, they make any enemy infantry with a 4+ or worse save cry. And for T3 units, they tend to be remarkably resilient.

If you like them, you like them. MEQ armies tend to be the B armies anyway, are they not.

I wonder whether you need 2x2 HQs. Possibly drop one Herald and beef up one pack of Horrors.

I've got a suggestion that's going to sound odd, but that comes from considerable playing of the Daemon codex. I suggest you change out your Grinder's phlegm upgrades for the tongue upgrade. You need to pop vehicles much more than anything else as Daemons, more than you need to pie plate squads.

Give it a try in some proxy games. I've really seen things work much better after the Grinder's took tongue. I actually transitioned to just tongue after buying both and realizing that the only one I ever really needed was the tank popping shot.

The Heralds of Tzeentch really start to shine if you add in we are legion. Right now you will have to shoot 1 str 8 and 3 str 5 shots at the same target. For 10 points you get to split those and put the two different shot types where you want.

Also I would drop your flamers down to three and and in a second squad.

If you make the above changes you could drop the icon off the crushers, drop 1 screamer, drop 2 horrors from the big unit of horrors, and drop 2 of the plague bearers.

wuestenfux wrote:I wonder whether you need 2x2 HQs. Possibly drop one Herald and beef up one pack of Horrors.

At this point, the only HQ I'm willing to drop is Skulltaker. I would either replace him with a standard Khornate Herald and save about 50 points, or I'd replace him with a standard Bloodcrusher (probably counting him as the Bloodcrusher /w Fury of Khorne). Having two heralds is just nifty, and the Bluescribes have consistently been superior performers.

40kenthusiast wrote:I've got a suggestion that's going to sound odd, but that comes from considerable playing of the Daemon codex. I suggest you change out your Grinder's phlegm upgrades for the tongue upgrade. You need to pop vehicles much more than anything else as Daemons, more than you need to pie plate squads.

Give it a try in some proxy games. I've really seen things work much better after the Grinder's took tongue. I actually transitioned to just tongue after buying both and realizing that the only one I ever really needed was the tank popping shot.

Against anything that's not AV-14 all around, I'm not actually all that worried. And against AV14, getting the Grinder stuck in ASAP seems to be as important, if not more, than getting a S10 attack that only hits half the time.

Where the pie plate really shines is against hordes, and I'm loath to give that up.

Warmaster wrote:The Heralds of Tzeentch really start to shine if you add in we are legion. Right now you will have to shoot 1 str 8 and 3 str 5 shots at the same target. For 10 points you get to split those and put the two different shot types where you want.

Also I would drop your flamers down to three and and in a second squad.

If you make the above changes you could drop the icon off the crushers, drop 1 screamer, drop 2 horrors from the big unit of horrors, and drop 2 of the plague bearers.

I used to the run the flamers in two squads of three. Only had a handful of games, but having a squad of four and running them with the bluescribes has for some reason made them more effective than running two squads of three, with the bluescribes accompanying the 9-man squad of horrors.

Icons are definitely staying...I like having one icon in each wave. 2 icons/wave is excessive, and I've got too many units (some of which have extremely large footprints) to not want an icon available.

I'm vacillating on giving the heralds we are legion (at the cost of two plaguebearers) or exchanging the bolt of tzeentch for breath of chaos.

I guess the question would be what effectiveness would you lose by running 2 squads of 3 and putting the blue scribes in one of the three mans .

I can understand keeping the icons. It might help to know how you plan on splitting your waves. I was originally thinking you would be dropping both the pb's and the crushers in your first wave. But if you have them in separate waves I can see keeping both icons.

Warmaster wrote:I guess the question would be what effectiveness would you lose by running 2 squads of 3 and putting the blue scribes in one of the three mans .

For some reason, the squad of four seems to work really well, where two squads of two worked...ok. Not quite sure why that is. But I also need 70 more points to get the extra flamers...and I'm going to lose too much to do so.

Warmaster wrote:
I can understand keeping the icons. It might help to know how you plan on splitting your waves. I was originally thinking you would be dropping both the pb's and the crushers in your first wave. But if you have them in separate waves I can see keeping both icons.

Yep, bloodcrushers and plaguebearers drop in separate waves. That way, I'll always have one icon hitting the table on turn 1. Both icons are in relatively survivable units, and let me bring in the reserves much more effectively, I've found.

I don't have a whole lot of hard and fast rules for which units drop where, except that anytime a unit has a duplicate, it always gets assigned to the same wave as its duplicate. So the Grinders always stick together, the Heralds always stick together, and the 5-man horrors always stick together. So aside from keeping duplicate units in the same wave, and the bloodcrushers/skulltaker and plaguebearers in different waves, there's no set force.

Aside from that, its see what my opponent is fielding, look at how they deploy, and decide what I want to have hitting first.