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WAR has achieved a Metacritic score of 91% and even managed to bag a 100% review from GameSpy.

Can a pissed off Lich King slow down the Waaagh?


Metacritic details:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/warhammeronline

wow.

GL Blizzard!

I was talking to the chaps at the net cafe (who write reviews), and the staff at the game store, and I've heard nothing but praise.
Yes, Blizzard, you're screwed. Ditch your silly MMOs and go back to RTS games.

Is a little early to death knell WoW....but I think it stands a chance at knocking an old bird off it's perch.

I think WoW continue to be the king, if for no other reason than it is the most accessible MMO out there.

But WAR will carve it's own niche in the MMO marketplace, and it may very well be the second biggest player in the market when all is said and done.

I think that even if WoW stays the king, WAR will continue to be a major opponent (pwner?) to AoC and Guild Wars. Well...let's wait until Blizzard makes their next move.

Anyone see the irony? WoW is GW, WAR is Privateer Press. PP will never topple GW, but they'll take a good market share.

Gamespy isn't exactly what I'd call unbiased in reviews. Sure, WAR's a good game, but not 100% material. Over-rating just skews the overall score and gets it further from a realistic appraisal of its pros and cons.

I think number based reviews are kind of silly since they don't have metrics to hold to the numbers. Its all just too touchy feely for the numbers to really mean much. That and most game review sites (Gamespot in particular) are suspect at giving inflated scores to things that advertise on their sites.

That said, WAR is a good game and I'm certain that lots of people will play it for quite some time. It will lure people away from WoW for lots of different reasons. However, so long as Blizzard keeps working on improving WoW and they don't get caught by anything extreamly inovative (which WAR isn't) then I think it will remain in place. Some people will continue to play WoW no matter what happens because it is where their online social circle hangs out. Sort of like the people that kept playing EverQuest long after WoW had been realeased. Obviously Wow was a better game in every way possible, but they were comfortable with EQ and didn't want to change. The same mentality will keep a lot of people in WoW regardless of what comes out.

Folks,

Well, considering how well we did with the last patch I would expect a certain amount of skepticism from you but here's a few highlights from next week's patch (not counting hot fixes or hot pockets):

1) Another round of CTD, general memory usage improvements and lag improvements.

2) A foray into the whole "AFKers in scenarios suck!" issue with some changes to the scenario code.

3) Introduction of exp. bonuses to people who create toons on population-challenged servers. This is the first of many steps to help keep the populations more balanced. As always, baby steps.

4) Another round of anti-spammer code going in. This should greatly limit their ability to bother you, that's my job.

5) We're looking at changing how the need/greed looting options work in scenarios only. We are thinking about disallowing the need option for people who can't use the item. Again, this is for scenarios only and I already know the argument "I need it for my alt" etc. and we are still thinking about it.

6) Correct the bug that prevent the correct number of guilds from joining an alliance.

Those are *some* of the highlights from next week's patch. If it goes as badly as the last one, feel free to say hi to me as I run screaming into the woods. happy

Mark



Yay, new patch notes!

i've played both and enjoy wow better.
i'm sure i'm not the only one so to say that war is gonna topple wow is a little premature.
what youre seeing now is all of the "ooh, shiny" players out there jumping on it to try it. lets see how the numbers look in say a year.
i know half a dozen people who have bought it and are playing wow again.
those people are all adding to the big numbers that you are seeing now that wont be there in the future.

i think they'll be close but saying war is gonna topple wow and become king of the heap is silly.

usernamesareannoying wrote:i've played both and enjoy wow better.

How long did you play WoW for? How long have you play WAR? Did you seriously (5 months or more) play any commercial (i.e. bought at store and payed monthly fee) MMORPG's before WoW?


I don't think anyone expects WAR to beat WoW. WoW is a force of nature at this point. The question is whether WAR can take a solid second place in subscriptions.

lol I love this discussion.

WoW- Primary PVE
WAR- primary PVP

I played DAoC for 6 years and it had the best PVP ever, until the unbalance of the classes went ignored far too long.

I guess I hate blizzard because THEY ARE GREEDY.

DaoC came out with expansions all the time, and WAR is already set to release 2 more classes soon.

Yes WoW has 13mil + or whatever, times that by the monthly sub, and here we are @ the 4 year mark and just now coming out with the 2nd expansion... REALLY?

I'm a PvP guy but I figure you cant really tell people what is better. A lot to account for..

Some people dont leave Wow after trying WAR because (for instance my buddy) they have 2 lvl 60's and dont want to start over.. after a Year of raiding for gear.. i dont blame him.

I think blizzard could be doing more for the community instead of swimming in the cash flow.

Don't forget that the two "new" classes are actually reinstated classes that were
pulled from the game once upon a time.

Bliz is doing something for the community. They are taking the money from all these poor saps and funneling it into great games like SC2 and D3.

I'm good with that.

And WoW's patches are just painful. If you start now, you have to download roughly 6GB! And all it did anyway was feth up the canon of the series and eliminate the possibility of Warcraft IV. I mean, if Illidan and the Lich King are dead, who is there to fight?

Cheese Elemental wrote:And WoW's patches are just painful. If you start now, you have to download roughly 6GB! And all it did anyway was feth up the canon of the series and eliminate the possibility of Warcraft IV. I mean, if Illidan and the Lich King are dead, who is there to fight?

Kerrigan.

In a medieval game?

Cheese Elemental wrote:In a medieval game?

Yes

I've played both and WAR kind of looks like poop. I guess I like the cartoony colorful look more than washed out and dingy. The movements seem more fluid in WoW too. Jump all over me for saying it but I hope WAR fails. A bunch of people I know already don't paint enough now they just play WAR and talk about how awesome it is and how hard it's going to crush WoW. Get realistic, and go paint.

YES GO PAINT!!! lol everyone should 50/50 it like me mmo/paint. happiness ;]

Why would you tell them to paint instead? If someone is trying to choose between
MMORPG A and MMORPG B, telling them they should paint miniatures is not really
answering the question.

Typeline wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:In a medieval game?

Yes

I've played both and WAR kind of looks like poop. I guess I like the cartoony colorful look more than washed out and dingy. The movements seem more fluid in WoW too. Jump all over me for saying it but I hope WAR fails. A bunch of people I know already don't paint enough now they just play WAR and talk about how awesome it is and how hard it's going to crush WoW. Get realistic, and go paint.

So you like the art style of one game a little more and think you know how your friends should be spending their time, so you want a game to fail?

The right answer here is to stop being a babby who plays MMOs and paints toy soldiers and go outside to socialize and play sports.

I played WoW for nearly two years, I've also played City of Heroes, tried Lotr and was eager to jump into WaR. It is a great game, however I will admit early on I wasn't keen on the combat, WoW's always seemed cleaner, even though timers and everything else says there should be no real difference. Maybe it was the way the models moved, but regardless it was aware of it.

PQ's are an awesome idea, I hope WoW nicks them at some point, the side effect of PQ's however I found quickly when my guildmates went to Order over the Destruction classes I was running. That solo PvE in WaR is nigh on a joke, as PQ's are a key part of the PvE progression, yet once the pack has moved on they are nearly all unbeatable. So you are left with a dull first part monster grind to get your influence rewards.

One of WoW's big advantages was you could solo the game pretty much to 70, although you can in WaR, if you aren't into PvP as much as the other fella, its gonna be a slow grind doing so. This was going to prove a problem who loves alts and had nine by the end of the first week.

Basically apart from loving the fact it was Warhammer, I found that I was losing interest after three weeks, In fact I did think I was losing interest in MMO's in general. I even suggested to my wife that we leave them for the time being, wait and see if the 40K MMO ever makes it out. So for the forth week of my first month of gametime I barely played WaR, we even had an extra week due to GoA's mess up at the beginning. It was then for some odd reason I decided to re-subscribe to WoW, partially to have a look, partially to say goodbye to my guildmates.

I was stunned by the improvements of patch 3.02, the achievements system blatently taken from WaR's Tome of Knowledge adds another thing to the game, and I noticed immediately that everything just seemed to roll better. Combat, magic even the travel. Maybe I'm another who likes the game to be slightly cartoony, i don't know but pretty quick I was loving WoW again.

Now Wrath has launched, I had two 70's to pick from, its seems that my Rogue is heading to 80 first as shes already at 72, even if my Hunter is my main. I rolled the expected DeathKnight and got her out of the DK starting area and looking about I can see why Blizz does one exapnsion every couple of years. The lvl of detail is amzing, it is so well put together, with lots of varied quests that I'm lost to the game again. The Death Knight story to get past the intial starting zone was of particular interest and very well done.


I really do hope WaR is succesful, partially as there is always the option I can go back to look a 2nd time, but also its good to keep Blizzard on their toes, and the more inovation that occurs the more fun it is for us, the MMO gamer.