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Does anyone know where I can get the rules for the Warhammer version of Ang'grath The Unbound?

Thanks!

That would be the Apocalypse Bloodthirster special character?


Wrong game. He doesn't exist in WHFB.


Guess you'll have to write your own rules for him.

Au contraire monfrair!! You can use him in any 2000/+ points for Daemons in non apocalypse battles. And a huge Bloodthirster I would think he would have to been around along time, longer then scarbrand which is in WHFB, so I would think he does exist, just wondering if anyone has seen any rules for him I have the model and we are going to be having a huge 5000pt battle might as well whip him out.

what they said stands - no rules exist for him for WHFB

well you think wrong chin. he is not or atleast not yet in whfb.

Now, now... Dr. Chin is making the quite common mistake of assuming that the Warhammer Fantasy universe and the Warhammer 40K universe are one and the same, and therefore, from a background perspective, Ang'grath ought to exist in the WHFB universe.

But the designers have stated, numerous times in the past, that the 40K universe is not the WHFB universe run forward into the future.

All this is moot, anyway. The one clear fact is that there are no rules for using Ang'grath in Warhammer Fantasy. So again, my advice is to write your own, hand them around the group, and see if everyone agrees to let you use them. Keep in mind that in 40K, your opponents have access to really powerful long-ranged weaponry, while there is less of that available in fantasy... don't go too over-the-top, is what I'm saying.

fellblade wrote:Now, now... Dr. Chin is making the quite common mistake of assuming that the Warhammer Fantasy universe and the Warhammer 40K universe are one and the same, and therefore, from a background perspective, Ang'grath ought to exist in the WHFB universe.

But the designers have stated, numerous times in the past, that the 40K universe is not the WHFB universe run forward into the future.

No, but they've yet to state conclusively that the WHFB world isn't a planet in the 40K-verse(perhaps in the EoT), which is where the crossover problem actually stems. Thank you Bolt weapons/chainswords as former Chaos rewards.

Regardless, Forge World has stated they have no plans to ever bring the Gargantuan Daemons over the Fantasy.

Platuan4th wrote:

fellblade wrote:Now, now... Dr. Chin is making the quite common mistake of assuming that the Warhammer Fantasy universe and the Warhammer 40K universe are one and the same, and therefore, from a background perspective, Ang'grath ought to exist in the WHFB universe.

But the designers have stated, numerous times in the past, that the 40K universe is not the WHFB universe run forward into the future.

No, but they've yet to state conclusively that the WHFB world isn't a planet in the 40K-verse(perhaps in the EoT), which is where the crossover problem actually stems. Thank you Bolt weapons/chainswords as former Chaos rewards.

Regardless, Forge World has stated they have no plans to ever bring the Gargantuan Daemons over the Fantasy.

While they may not have explicitly stated that the WHFB world isn't a planet in the 40K universe (giving the benefit of the doubt), the timelines of the two games are irreconcilably divergent. Notably, the history of the WHF world as expounded in the Lizardmen and High Elves Army Books cannot be fit into the time frame of the WH40K universe as laid out in Codex: Necrons and Codex: Eldar. That is, the WHFB books clearly have Slaanesh as an actor on the scene either contemporaneously or nearly contemporaneously with the Fall, the collapse of the Old One civilization. The WH40K books unequivocally place these events as separated by millions of years.

As an aside, you can't really point to moribund source books as evidence for such a conclusion anyway, now, if the new Warriors of Chaos book talks about traitor legions...

But several 40k items have appeared in WHFB.

After the Albion campaign, the High Elves were awarded the 'Armor of the Gods', which was essentially described as a suit of power armor, and the Dark Elves were awarded a gauntlet that was essentially described (and functioned as) a powerfirst.

In addition, the Amazons from Mordheim are armed with laspistols and lasrifles.

Manfred von Drakken wrote:But several 40k items have appeared in WHFB.

After the Albion campaign, the High Elves were awarded the 'Armor of the Gods', which was essentially described as a suit of power armor, and the Dark Elves were awarded a gauntlet that was essentially described (and functioned as) a powerfirst.

In addition, the Amazons from Mordheim are armed with laspistols and lasrifles.

The Lizardmen have the Amazon Lasrifle as a magic item, too.

It's official. I am definitely starting a Lizardmen army when their new book comes out next year (assuming the rumors are true).

Platuan4th wrote:

Manfred von Drakken wrote:But several 40k items have appeared in WHFB.

After the Albion campaign, the High Elves were awarded the 'Armor of the Gods', which was essentially described as a suit of power armor, and the Dark Elves were awarded a gauntlet that was essentially described (and functioned as) a powerfirst.

In addition, the Amazons from Mordheim are armed with laspistols and lasrifles.

The Lizardmen have the Amazon Lasrifle as a magic item, too.

I'll repeat, "you can't really point to moribund source books as evidence for such a conclusion". It may very well be that the WHFB world was once intended to be a backwater planet in the WH40K universe, but it's been retconned out. The timelines set forth in the Army books are explicitly and irreconcilably in conflict with the Codex timelines.

'Course, it's not like GW has had a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" to let people know about these things (there's a crack in there about product consistency, but I'm not going to make it).

Buzzsaw wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Manfred von Drakken wrote:But several 40k items have appeared in WHFB.

After the Albion campaign, the High Elves were awarded the 'Armor of the Gods', which was essentially described as a suit of power armor, and the Dark Elves were awarded a gauntlet that was essentially described (and functioned as) a powerfirst.

In addition, the Amazons from Mordheim are armed with laspistols and lasrifles.

The Lizardmen have the Amazon Lasrifle as a magic item, too.

I'll repeat, "you can't really point to moribund source books as evidence for such a conclusion". It may very well be that the WHFB world was once intended to be a backwater planet in the WH40K universe, but it's been retconned out. The timelines set forth in the Army books are explicitly and irreconcilably in conflict with the Codex timelines.

'Course, it's not like GW has had a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" to let people know about these things (there's a crack in there about product consistency, but I'm not going to make it).

It's not "irreconcilable" at all. It's been posited that some Old Ones hadn't left when they had their mass exodus. Perhaps the Warp Gate failing IS the birth of Slaanesh, hmm? Then leading to the death of the last few Old Ones in this galaxy. They haven't "retconned" it out, because you can't retcon what was never official or even stated to begin with. It's HINTS GW put in themselves to make/let us speculate, they'll never make it official whether or not it's there.

The argument for for the timeline of Slaanesh's birth as a reason for incongruous story lines is wrong. They have said in at least one of the Eldar or Chaos books about the moment of the birth of Slaanesh yet because of the nature of chaos being out of normal time and space he had always existed stretching back to before the beginning of time and forward past the end of time. Because time in the chaos realms doesn't flow the same, he existed before he was born.

That being said, there are no rules for Ang'grath. Despite them quoting fantasy characters in 40k books (current special characters for demons, Amon'Chakai in a 40k book IIRC as well) GW has said that they are not the same game in different areas/time frames.

Where do you get the impression that a year in WHFB is the same length as a year in WH40K?

Wow, some people really can't understand that they are separate games. Even with separate mechanics. And backgrounds. And timelines. And the authors saying so.

Of course there will be winks and nods to each other- they are made by the same company and share many concepts. Just don't take it to seriously. Alot of that old stuff was pretty jokey. It's gone now (to the land of chaos thugs with bows) as the setting has been made increasingly "grim" and "dark fantasy". Notice that the Albion items and Amazons are gone? Funny that.

But if you want to convert your Chaos lord in power armor with a chainsword, go ahead. Won't bother me a bit. It's your figures, after all.

To go back on topic...

Ann'grath? How about every stat an 8, nad make it unbreakable. Sounds like cheesefest to me