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I might be wrong but here's one that i think they had before, but they changed it. Oh before i start apologies to all High Elf players, you'll strongly disagree with this.
The way the rule is written at the moment if two units in close combat both have the "Always Strike First" rule the order is determined by initiative. Didn't the older version say....if both units have always strike 1st, prioity goes to the charger, if this doesn't apply then it's determined by initiative, and then a die roll if they have the same initiative. Makes more sense to have the prioity given to the charger (if they both have always strike 1st)

i misread you post... thanks for pointing that out.

Page 94 it says if both units have strike 1st, it goes in initiative order, if they are the same roll 1d6

but initiative order means the same as always. so chargers, initiative, won combat, roll off. or atleast that is what I always thought.

ok, i'll rephrase that. It says "use the models initiative to determine who strikes first".... but i know this. I'm proposing the rule that if both strike 1st it's chargers, then intiative, then roll d6

read the High Elf FAQ. it discusses what happens when two models who both have the always strikes first rule fight and one has a great weapon. the great weapon strikes last even if he had a higher initiative. it actually says "in effect the two Always Strikes First rules cancel eachother out." or something similar to that. I know what your saying, and what I'm saying is it is already that way.

i would say initiative, then a D6

the bonus for charging is striking 1st, yet the opponent also strikes 1st, so really it has no effect, if both characters have strike 1st then charging makes no difference.

around here this has always been played as:
if both have ASF, just ignore it

It depends on which FaQ you use.. the European one says Init order the US one says apply weapon mods then init order.

If the faq said great weapon with ASF goes last, then what if the great weapon is charging?

if you count the always strike last thing for the 'great weapon', you have to count the 'always strike first' for charging.

hi Xenith, i think you misunderstood my post. This is a proposed rule, not a rules question.

In the BRB it clearly says ASF v ASF is just on initiative (doesn't matter about great weapon or charging)

I think there was a FAQ for a while that said otherwise, but they changed it.

Indeed. I think there has been two seperate High Elf FAQs.

The first one stated that Swordmasters (and any Elf with Great Weapon), in combat with another ASF unit, would strike last, due to the Great Weapons.

Then a second version came out saying it is *always* highest Initiative going first.

Personally, I don't like the second ruling. I agree, concur and indeed ratify, that in the case of ASF v ASF, just ignore ASF and treat it as a normal combat.

Either that, or change the wording of charges and great weapons thusly....'when charging you always count as having higher initiative than your opponent' unt 'when determining strike order in HTH, then, and only then, models armed with Great Weapons are treated as if they had Initiative 0.

But hey ho, I know the ruling, so I can houserule it at mine if need be.

There are 2 faq's one for US and one for EU. The timing really isnt important more of do you use diff rules per yoru local?