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So, I don't know if this has been discussed before but if it hasn't:

Do Gaunt broods w/ without number count as another KP when they come back onto the table?

Wording:
Any brood that is removed from play may be brought back into play at the beginning of the next tyranid turn. It moves onto the board from the tyranid player's board edge and has exactly the same profile and armaments as its predecessor.

You get one KP every time a unit is destroyed.

So yes, one KP every time the recycled unit is destroyed.

I'm not sure if I understand why it wouldn't? Among other things, use of the word "predecessor" indicates it's a new unit. If the position is that recyled units are not new units, then it would be impossible to get a kp for the brood at all (unless it was off the table when the game ended) since it would always be refreshing itself.

Brice

Well with similar units like Saint Celestine, as long as she is on the table at the end of the game, you don't get any KP's for her, no matter how many times she has lost her last wound.


"Any brood that is removed from play may be brought back into play"

It's just being brought back into play like Celestine.

yes, but if you compare them to the 4th edition counterparts, each without number brood was worth it's value in victory points while saint celestine was only worth victory points if she failed the test or passed but was in reserve(the same situations that now grant a kill point)

sure it's not decisive by any means, but it gives you an idea of intention.

Every time a WON-brood enters play it is counted as a new unit.

Can make interesting mathematics in the end where you give up 15 KP out of maximum 12 KP or something

Happned to me at a RTT, i was plying nids and got all of my Synapse destroyed.. i had WON and every time a brood was wiped out it came back on my corner.. the eldar player had me boxed in for almost 3 turns..

I ended up giving him over 1000vp's in WON returns...

"ok so i got 2700vp to your.... AHEM!...Good game..."

AtraAngelis wrote:

I ended up giving him over 1000vp's in WON returns...

Without Number specifies "may" and is therefor optional.
Yes, you gave him those points.

shrug

I don't really see that it is counted by a new unit anywhere. Sure in the old VP system it gave new VP everytime it entered. However that system is outdated with 5th ed rules.

If we still tried to interpret KP's by the old VP system than combat squads would only be worth 1/2 a KP when destroyed. (which they are not)

Have you checked the codex? It is pretty clear there.

coredump wrote:Have you checked the codex? It is pretty clear there.

Just for ease, it says under without number that victory points are scored as usual for the brood and its replacements entirely separate broods, extending a 4th ed codex to 5th ed rules, this would mean they are worth another kill point if they are recycled.

so yes, its pretty clear in the codex.

Yup. Kill Point per Brood, regardless of how many times said Brood has been chinned.

This is different from Celestine, as her entry states otherwise.

Without Number: great for objectives missions, balls for Annihilation.

But victory point doesn't equal kill point scoring in all cases in 5th ed. So that's not really the be all/end all ruling for this case.

I think it could be considered either way per its wording.

Wording:
Any brood that is removed from play may be brought back into play at the beginning of the next tyranid turn. It moves onto the board from the tyranid player's board edge and has exactly the same profile and armaments as its predecessor.

First line seems to indicate it is the same models. 2nd sentence seems to indicate its not.

Per RAW it seems it only really counts as a new unit for Victory points

And yes, I know that some of you are going to claim that it is just an oversight of 5th edition and GW would want to FAQ it. But there are plenty of other things in the tyranid codex (symbiote rippers) that have rules that are just gotten rid of in 5th, with no intent by GW to change them.

Timmah wrote:But victory point doesn't equal kill point scoring in all cases in 5th ed. So that's not really the be all/end all ruling for this case.

I think it could be considered either way per its wording.

Wording:
Any brood that is removed from play may be brought back into play at the beginning of the next tyranid turn. It moves onto the board from the tyranid player's board edge and has exactly the same profile and armaments as its predecessor.

First line seems to indicate it is the same models. 2nd sentence seems to indicate its not.

Per RAW it seems it only really counts as a new unit for Victory points

And yes, I know that some of you are going to claim that it is just an oversight of 5th edition and GW would want to FAQ it. But there are plenty of other things in the tyranid codex (symbiote rippers) that have rules that are just gotten rid of in 5th, with no intent by GW to change them.

No, RAW it does not. The use of the word "predecessor" unequivocally indicates that the new unit is a separate entity from its predecessor.