Betchers gland WTF

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**DonkeyCannon**

So the Betchers Gland gives the Space Marine the ability to spit acid. I think there is a mention of this in the Anphelion Project with the Red Scorpions, but other than that I cannot recall hearing of it. Was this just a rogue trader idea that was grandfathered into the fluff bible but never really built on?

**JD21290**

salamanders should be able to use this

**Typeline**

DonkeyCannon wrote:So the Betchers Gland gives the Space Marine the ability to spit acid.

WTF!? Space Marines are broken!

**Regwon**

in an old adeptus astates book that was around in second edition it lists all the new organs that are implanted into a space marines (ideally). betcher gland is there. its been around a pretty long while.

**99MDeery**

yeh its always been there, shame they can't use it in game that would awesome

**whatwhat**

Fairly sure they have that ability in inquisitor. Which is a lot more recent than anything else mentioned.

**AzurePhoenix**

whatwhat wrote:Fairly sure they have that ability in inquisitor. Which is a lot more recent than anything else mentioned.

Space Marines do have the "Spit Acid" ability in Inquisitor... so it's there as well.

**Shrike78**

Space marine acid spitter:

Once per game, a space marine model may use the btchers gland to spit a glob of corrosive acid. using the following stats.

range 6"

STR10 Ap 1

A space marine unit that has defeated an enemy squad in CC may spend a turn in which they don't move, or shoot, in order to replenish the acid.

Lol... even more broken spaz marinez (hurr)

**EarlyEscaper**

lulz

**Orkeosaurus**

Shouldn't the acid use a template?

Either way it would be kind of overpowered without a point increase. Maybe +2 points a model?

**ph34r**

Why would there be a template, it's like spitting normally, except acid. Does your spit spray everything in an area 20 feet in front of you?

**Krak_kirby**

In the Iron Snakes novel by Dan Abnett, the main character gets bitten by an extremely poisonous serpent on a training exercise. Priad's astartes physiology isolates the poison in his bloodstream and stores it in the gland. Later, on a mission, a dark eldar archon is kicking his ass pretty badly when Priad remembers the poison and spits it into the archon's face. Very cool...

**Orkeosaurus**

ph34r wrote:Why would there be a template, it's like spitting normally, except acid. Does your spit spray everything in an area 20 feet in front of you?

Yeah, and people in other rooms don't even get a cover save from it!

I vaguely remember reading that a Space Marine could basically gnaw his way through steel bars or chains with the gland. It was supposed to be something he could use while otherwise incapacitated.

**Shrike78**

Also, though a little known fact, before Lysander was a SM, he was the ultimate spit ball champion. Even after his induction into the marines, his talents have not left him.

If Lysander is in a squad that uses the bitchers.... I mean (sorry couldn't resist) betchers gland, the squad may reroll any rolls to hit/wound the target.

**Aristotle**

How much would it suck if you forgot to take your helmet off.
"Arghh my eyes, ohh no the blood clotted over the acid I can't get it out"

**Cheese Elemental**

I remember in Warrior Coven (a C.S. Goto Deathwatch novel, really not that bad), a Deathwatch marine captured by the Dark Eldar kills a Haemonculus' apprentice by spitting in his face and subsequently melting his head.

**legoburner**

At the risk of getting banned from my own site, perhaps the gland was put in to discourage space marines from doing anything other than training on those long, lonely space flights with thousands of other men for company.

**PanzerSmurf**

I believe fluff states Imperial fists do not have this ability?

And I keep hearing fun things about =][=...

**Ifurita**

I think all Space Marines should therefore count as having the Acid Maw biomorph!

**DonkeyCannon**

Or maybe the Mandiblasters ability. Are their chapters that are lacking some organs or have developed new ones entirely?

**Breton**

ph34r wrote:Why would there be a template, it's like spitting normally, except acid. Does your spit spray everything in an area 20 feet in front of you?

No, but then I'm not a 7 foot tall genetically altered monstrosity from the grim dark future where there is only war.

**KingCracker**

Orkeosaurus wrote:Shouldn't the acid use a template?

Either way it would be kind of overpowered without a point increase. Maybe +2 points a model?

yea you cna use the UBER USLESS 18" measure sticks that come in the AOBR set. that would be a better use then just letting them sit in a box somewhere

**chromedog**

The whippy sticks aren't useless.

They are an essential tool of discipline enforcement.

Anyone touches your stuff without permission - whack!

Any munchkin backtalks - whack!

(I don't waste my pimphand on noobs, munchkins or thieves).

It's a 'spit acid' ability. Not 'projectile vomit acid'.
No template, and only usable by marine models NOT wearing helmets.

Huzzah, finally a reason for the helmetless shouty marines. They're not shouty, they're hawking up an acidball.

**EarlyEscaper**

amen brother!!

**ultramarine1**

u kno, in inquizitor they have spit acid as a ability. you could uze some rules from there.

**Nofasse 'Eadhunta**

I agree, they should be able to use the spit. Here would be the stats for Betcher Spit Special Attack:

Range: OVER 9000!!!!"
S: 10
AP: -1
Special: Large Blast, Pinning, Ordnance, Melta, Does Not Scatter, No Cover Save, Assault 26

Broken Spase Marienz (hurr) shall be broken no longer.

EDIT: Bumped up range and blahhhhhh

**blindidiotgod**

The Betchers gland was introduced back in Rogue Trader times as a role-playing device when the game was focused around individuals on the field rather than squads.

Now, it's a nice thing to think about, rather than a mechanic.

Also - it's not like a space marine could hock up a massive glob of acid and fling it like backwash. I envision it as more of a slow seeping thing they can activate, allowing them to slowly chew their way out of any kind of containment.

**KingCracker**

chromedog.......i was drinking at the monet i read your wasted pimphand comment, and how my nose is burning..... thanks a million

and 72 inch spit attack?!? holy friggin crap! thats far to low for being broken! cmon man the basilisk can(last i checked) hit a 240 inch range on guess, why not use that! and you have to make it assault.... i dunno 12 or somthing

**Nofasse 'Eadhunta**

KingCracker wrote:\and 72 inch spit attack?!? holy friggin crap! thats far to low for being broken! cmon man the basilisk can(last i checked) hit a 240 inch range on guess, why not use that! and you have to make it assault.... i dunno 12 or somthing

I was quite mistaken, bump that range up to OVER 9000!!!!
And make it Assault 26

**warsmith pyrus**

i'm supprised that with all these super awsome organs you can still call sm human instead of that 7ft tall,twin hearted,chest plate bone,acid hawking monster thing