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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/17 16:51:08
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/16/AR2008111602374_pf.html
A Giddy Sense of Boosterism
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 17, 2008; C01
Perhaps it was the announcement that NBC News is coming out with a DVD titled "Yes We Can: The Barack Obama Story." Or that ABC and USA Today are rushing out a book on the election. Or that HBO has snapped up a documentary on Obama's campaign.
Perhaps it was the Newsweek commemorative issue -- "Obama's American Dream" -- filled with so many iconic images and such stirring prose that it could have been campaign literature. Or the Time cover depicting Obama as FDR, complete with jaunty cigarette holder.
Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they are.
What's troubling here goes beyond the clanging of cash registers. Media outlets have always tried to make a few bucks off the next big thing. The endless campaign is over, and there's nothing wrong with the country pulling together, however briefly, behind its new leader. But we seem to have crossed a cultural line into mythmaking.
"The Obamas' New Life!" blares People's cover, with a shot of the family. "New home, new friends, new puppy!" Us Weekly goes with a Barack quote: "I Think I'm a Pretty Cool Dad." The Chicago Tribune trumpets that Michelle "is poised to be the new Oprah and the next Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis -- combined!" for the fashion world.
Whew! Are journalists fostering the notion that Obama is invincible, the leader of what the New York Times dubbed "Generation O"?
Each writer, each publication, seems to reach for more eye-popping superlatives. "OBAMAISM -- It's a Kind of Religion," says New York magazine. "Those of us too young to have known JFK's Camelot are going to have our own giddy Camelot II to enrapture and entertain us," Kurt Andersen writes. The New York Post has already christened it "BAM-A-LOT."
"Here we are," writes Salon's Rebecca Traister, "oohing and aahing over what they'll be wearing, and what they'll be eating, what kind of dog they'll be getting, what bedrooms they'll be living in, and what schools they'll be attending. It feels better than good to sniff and snurfle through the Obamas' tastes and habits. . . . Who knew we had in us the capacity to fall for this kind of idealized Americana again?"
But aren't media people supposed to resist this kind of hyperventilating?
"Obama is a figure, especially in pop culture, in a way that most new presidents are not," historian Michael Beschloss says. "Young people who may not be interested in the details of NAFTA or foreign policy just think Obama is cool, and they're interested in him. Being cool can really help a new president."
So can a sense of optimism, reflected on USA Today's front page. "Poll: Hopes soaring for Obama, administration," the headline said, with 65 percent saying "the USA will be better off 4 years from now."
But what happens when adulation gives way to the messy, incremental process of governing? When Obama has to confront a deep-rooted financial crisis, two wars and a political system whose default setting is gridlock? When he makes decisions that inevitably disappoint some of his boosters?
"We're celebrating a moment as much as a man, I think," says Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham, whose new issue, out today, compares Obama to Lincoln. "Given our racial history, an hour or two of commemoration seems appropriate. But there is no doubt that the glow of the moment will fade, and I am sure the coverage will reflect that in due course."
One of the few magazines to strike a skeptical tone is the London-based Economist, which endorsed Obama. "With such a victory come unreasonably great expectations," its lead editorial says.
Web worship of Obama is nearly limitless. On YouTube alone, the Obama Girl song, "I've Got a Crush on Obama," has been viewed 11.7 million times. Even an unadorned video of the candidate's election night speech in Chicago has drawn 3.5 million views.
I am not trying to diminish the sheer improbability of what this African American politician, a virtual unknown four years ago, has accomplished. Every one of us views his victory through a personal lens. I thought of growing up in a "Leave It to Beaver" era, when there were no blacks in leading television roles until Bill Cosby was tapped as the co-star of "I Spy" in 1965. When the Watts riots broke out that year, the Los Angeles Times sent an advertising salesman to cover it because the paper had no black reporters. The country has traveled light-years since then.
It is hard to find a precedent in American history. Ronald Reagan was a marquee star because of his Hollywood career, but mainly among older voters, since he made his last movie 16 years before winning the White House in 1980. Jack Kennedy was a more formal figure after winning the 1960 election -- "trying to look older than he was, because he thought youth was a handicap in running for president," Beschloss says -- but quickly took on larger-than-life dimensions.
"The Kennedy buildup goes on," James MacGregor Burns wrote in the New Republic in the spring of 1961. "The adjectives tumble over one another. He is not only the handsomest, the best-dressed, the most articulate, and graceful as a gazelle. He is omniscient; he swallows and digests whole books in minutes; he confounds experts with his superior knowledge of their field. He is omnipotent."
Soon afterward, Kennedy blundered into the Bay of Pigs debacle.
The media would be remiss if they didn't reflect the sense of unadulterated joy that greeted Obama's election, both here and around the world, and the pride even among those who opposed him. Newspapers were stunned and delighted at the voracious demand for post-election editions, prompting The Washington Post and other papers to print hundreds of thousands of extra copies and pocket the change. (When else have we felt so loved lately?) Demand for inaugural tickets has been unprecedented. Barack is suddenly a hot baby name. Record companies are releasing hip-hop songs, by the likes of Jay-Z and Will.I.Am, with such titles as "Pop Champagne for Barack." Consumers, the Los Angeles Times reports, are buying up "Obama-themed T-shirts, buttons, bobblehead dolls, coffee mugs, wine bottles, magnets, greeting cards, neon signs, mobile phones and framed art prints."
A barrage of Obama-related books are in the works. Newsweek's quadrennial election volume is titled "A Long Time Coming: The Historic, Combative, Expensive and Inspiring 2008 Election and the Victory of Barack Obama." Publishers obviously see a bull market.
MSNBC, which was accused of cheerleading for the Democratic nominee during the campaign, is running promos that say: "Barack Obama, America's 44th president. Watch as a leader renews America's promise." What are viewers to make of that?
There is always a level of excitement when a new president is coming to town -- new aides to profile, new policies to dissect, new family members to follow. But can anyone imagine this kind of media frenzy if John McCain had managed to win?
Obama's days of walking on water won't last indefinitely. His chroniclers will need a new story line. And sometime after Jan. 20, they will wade back into reality.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/17 19:00:58
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Wow, for-profit organizations, making money off something that they produce? Unheard of.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/17 19:05:19
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Stinking capitalists trying to make money of a popular event/phenom.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/17 19:31:03
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Yeah, someone should tell them to go peddle their wares somewhere that is based around a free-market exchange of products and ideas...
Wait a minute...
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 01:21:09
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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The marketing companies are free to do what they want, and right now they seem to think there’s a market in Obama themed junk. Maybe there is. I was watching one of the music awards shows the other day and half the celebrities were wearing Obama shirts, and dropping his name in speeches whenever they could.
But note that a lot of the enthusiasm is coming from, what you’d want to call low information left wingers. Political junkies on the left wing are nearly so enthusiastic (happy to be rid of the neo-cons and probably expecting a stable term, but not the land of puppies and socialism).
I predict that 12 months from now, once Obama has gotten on with the job of being a centrist president, the enthusiasm won’t be there. Will.I.Am better cash in while he can.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 01:57:52
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Heh, Just Electing the guy, has been an economic boon. People got a glint of hope in what has been one of the darker years in U.S history. The guy is like some kinda muse to artist, enemies and friends all over the world can't wait to start diplomatic talks. The cuteness of two little girls running around the dour halls of the white house with a puppy.
A peoples love for their leader, has to be bad.
Obama's charm isn't he's some god-emperor of mankind(chuckle). But that he's failibly human and while not being perfect he strives to become a little better each day. That no matter what side of politics we come from we can all agree we're all in this together.
It's less about the man and more about the ideal he represents.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 12:20:46
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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"I...am...the...Cult...of ...Personalitiieee...."
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 13:03:01
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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Sometimes it just leaves me gobsmacked how partisan americans can be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 13:11:28
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Frazzled wrote:"I...am...the...Cult...of ...Personalitiieee...."
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Try reading up on Tony Blair when you've got a chance - he had a similar kind of appeal when he came to power. It lasted about three months.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 13:17:50
Subject: Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/11/18 13:19:16
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 16:24:48
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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A zogby poll that shows how good of a job the MSM did in bagging this election for Obama...
Let’s start with Zogby’s numbers. The poll surveyed over 500 self-professed Obama voters and has an MOE of 4.4%, with 55% having a college degree and over 90% having a high-school diploma. It asked 12 multiple-choice questions; only 2.4% got at least 11 correct. Only .5% got all them correct.
57.4 could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8 could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6 could NOT correctly say that Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1 % could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Palin as the person their party spent $150,000 in clothes on
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/18/video-how-obama-got-elected/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 17:49:31
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, t
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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djones520 wrote:A zogby poll that shows how good of a job the MSM did in bagging this election for Obama...
Let’s start with Zogby’s numbers. The poll surveyed over 500 self-professed Obama voters and has an MOE of 4.4%, with 55% having a college degree and over 90% having a high-school diploma. It asked 12 multiple-choice questions; only 2.4% got at least 11 correct. Only .5% got all them correct.
57.4 could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8 could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6 could NOT correctly say that Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1 % could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Palin as the person their party spent $150,000 in clothes on
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/18/video-how-obama-got-elected/
Wow, you actually found an article which takes a relatively unbiased poll created by Zogby's and massively skews the intent into one which deals in 'right' and 'wrong' answers.
The poll was intended to show what people believed, not what they 'knew'. There were no correct answers. Meaning that those figures which supposedly discuss Obama's faults are likely based on questions to the effect of:"Do you believe that Obama launched his political career in the house of two former Weather Underground terrorists?" If they answered no, then it only indicates that they thought that such a perception of events was incorrect.
This is probably the most depressingly stupid thing I have read all day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 18:24:55
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, t
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dogma wrote:djones520 wrote:A zogby poll that shows how good of a job the MSM did in bagging this election for Obama...
Let’s start with Zogby’s numbers. The poll surveyed over 500 self-professed Obama voters and has an MOE of 4.4%, with 55% having a college degree and over 90% having a high-school diploma. It asked 12 multiple-choice questions; only 2.4% got at least 11 correct. Only .5% got all them correct.
57.4 could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8 could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6 could NOT correctly say that Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1 % could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Palin as the person their party spent $150,000 in clothes on
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/18/video-how-obama-got-elected/
Wow, you actually found an article which takes a relatively unbiased poll created by Zogby's and massively skews the intent into one which deals in 'right' and 'wrong' answers.
The poll was intended to show what people believed, not what they 'knew'. There were no correct answers. Meaning that those figures which supposedly discuss Obama's faults are likely based on questions to the effect of:"Do you believe that Obama launched his political career in the house of two former Weather Underground terrorists?" If they answered no, then it only indicates that they thought that such a perception of events was incorrect.
This is probably the most depressingly stupid thing I have read all day.
Right... so it's ok that the majority of Obama voters thought Republicans controlled congress? That they didn't know the Democratic VP candidate withdrew from a prior presidential election because he got busted for plagiarism? Where is the eye rolling ork smiley?
The Ayers thing is dubious yes, but to say the rest of the peice is "idiotic" becuase of that is a poor attempt at spin. The simple fact is that most American voters where ill informed this election, and a huge reason for that was the media's refusal to cover the candidates on equal footing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/18 18:36:52
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, t
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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djones520 wrote:
Right... so it's ok that the majority of Obama voters thought Republicans controlled congress?
No but I would wager that, on any given day, most people are unaware of who controls Congress. This is a part of systemic American ignorance, more than MSM failure. MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News constantly talked about the failures of Congress, and its Democratic majority.
djones520 wrote:
That they didn't know the Democratic VP candidate withdrew from a prior presidential election because he got busted for plagiarism? Where is the eye rolling ork smiley?
Is that why he withdrew? Funny, I though he did so because he had no chance at winning. Again, it isn't even really that important. How many people do you think knew McCain was part of the Keating 5? How many people do you think knew what the Keating 5 actually was?
djones520 wrote:
The Ayers thing is dubious yes, but to say the rest of the peice is "idiotic" becuase of that is a poor attempt at spin. The simple fact is that most American voters where ill informed this election, and a huge reason for that was the media's refusal to cover the candidates on equal footing.
Most American voters will always be ill-informed. The candidates were covered on equal footing, you believe they weren't because yours lost. Had he represented a reasonable platform he might have been able to take it. That's why the GOP lost, not media disinformation. Not race. Not anything else. They lost because their ideology could not develop a plausible solution for the nation's ills.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/19 05:29:56
Subject: Re:Are the media capable of merchandizing the moment, packaging a president-elect for profit? Yes, they
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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djones520 wrote:A zogby poll that shows how good of a job the MSM did in bagging this election for Obama...
Let’s start with Zogby’s numbers. The poll surveyed over 500 self-professed Obama voters and has an MOE of 4.4%, with 55% having a college degree and over 90% having a high-school diploma. It asked 12 multiple-choice questions; only 2.4% got at least 11 correct. Only .5% got all them correct.
57.4 could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8 could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6 could NOT correctly say that Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1 % could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Palin as the person their party spent $150,000 in clothes on
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/18/video-how-obama-got-elected/
Yeah, that’s a third party survey commissioned by a reactionary nut called John Ziegler. He is by all regards an angry weirdo. Don’t believe me? Go to the posted interview between the guys of fivethirtyeight and Ziegler.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
There’s a lot of bad language, entirely from Ziegler in what can only be described as a bizarrely angry defence of perfectly standard questions.
And you’re posting his surveys, giving legitimacy to that drivel. People were asked who’s energy policies would bankrupt coal and lead to soaring energy prices, as though there was a factual answer. People were asked who said ‘I can see Russia from my house’ and Tina Fey wasn’t included as an answer. It’s crap, and you know it.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/19 07:12:45
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Sweet god. I've not read something that unbelievably nutty in a very, very long time. And even then it was never remotely passed off as serious. Not that fivethirtyeight was doing that, or anything really, they asked fair questions.
I gotta think that Zogby agreed to the survey before they knew the questions to be asked. At least I hope that's what happened. Though I suppose accepting to propagate this tripe is good proof of an unbiased approach.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/11/19 14:32:01
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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I don't know, I guess Zogby's just asked the question provided across a reasonable sample of the population.
I guess the most professional thing they can do is take the guy's money and perform the service asked. Starting to pick and choose between customers might open some tricky doors.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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