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Suppose a Sorcerer with MoS and lash of submission joined a unit.

Can an enemy unit be targeted in the following way:
First, the Sorcerer use the lash (counts as shooting weapon) so that the targeted unit gets moved.
Second, after the unit was being moved, the unit shoots the enemy unit say by flamers.

Or is there no such interaction; that is, the unit must shoot the enemy unit before it gets moved?

As a general principle you see what attacks have hit a unit before you resolve their effects (otherwise you'd always leave plasma weapons until last to avoid killing yourself... )

So I'd go with rolling to hit/measuring templates first, then moving the target with lash after.


Of course the easy way round this is not to join the sorcerer to the unit. If he's already in it he can move away in the shooting phase, lash the target towards his 'old' unit and let them flame away.

Regular, or extra crispy?

Chimera_Calvin wrote:As a general principle you see what attacks have hit a unit before you resolve their effects (otherwise you'd always leave plasma weapons until last to avoid killing yourself... )

So I'd go with rolling to hit/measuring templates first, then moving the target with lash after.

This all depends on whether you strictly call it a psychic shooting attack or consider it just a psychic power used in the shooting phase, if it were the latter you could do them seperately.

Of course the easy way round this is not to join the sorcerer to the unit. If he's already in it he can move away in the shooting phase, lash the target towards his 'old' unit and let them flame away.

Regular, or extra crispy?

Except you can only move away in the movement phase, not the shooting phase, the rulebook is quite clear on this matter.

Any Psychic Power which is used in the Shooting Phase comes under the rules of the shooting phase. No loophole there I'm afraid.

And as Calvin said, you roll to hit/wound/whatever with the entire unit, then resolve it all at the same time.

I'm sure he MEANT to say that he could move away in the movement phase

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Any Psychic Power which is used in the Shooting Phase comes under the rules of the shooting phase. No loophole there I'm afraid.

And as Calvin said, you roll to hit/wound/whatever with the entire unit, then resolve it all at the same time.

Can you provide an FAQ or page number for this?

Assuming you're correct, to what extent beyond resolution, if any, should Lash be treated as a shooting attack? Can the targeted unit get a cover save, for instance?

Cover saves are only used to avoid wounds from shooting. They can't stop non-wound effects such as Lash or Markerlights.

Awesome. That's perfect, thanks.

This is definately a relevant question - my buddy was just plagued with this very question in his last GT.

- Blackbone