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So I bought a Lootas & Burnas box from my local GWS and one of the guys working there sugested that i make the burnas because he thought they would do better then the lootas agianst an opponent but i myself love the Lootas and i was wondering what other people have chose to field in there army. I right now am building up to a 1500 point army so what should i use Lootas or Burnas?

Unless you're running a KOS style army, stick with the lootas.

Burnas: need a ride to be effective, no bosspole in the unit. So they need either a looted wagon, battlewagon or someone else's trukk to get anywhere and probably need an IC to babysit them to make sure they don't run away when something sneezes at them.

On the other hand, if you already have everyone in vehicles/bikes, then load them up in a BW and have fun with tankshocking groups into flaming piles of goo.

Burnas: need a ride to be effective, no bosspole in the unit. So they need either a looted wagon, battlewagon or someone else's trukk to get anywhere and probably need an IC to babysit them to make sure they don't run away when something sneezes at them.

On the other hand, if you already have everyone in vehicles/bikes, then load them up in a BW and have fun with tankshocking groups into flaming piles of goo.

I agree with that. I got a box and put both together with the purchase of additional legs and bodies and i have the burnas on stand by till i can get a battle waggon. Lootas won't do you wrong in the mean time. Although i have been toy'n with the idea of running 15 Burnas with mad dok and having them take a walk up the middle, they can soak up the hits or lay to waste most anything once they get there wile having 2 squads of shootas and two trucks with nobs for some support. Have not had the chance to try it, but sure dose look like fun to me

the best thing about burnas is running 15 of them in a battlewagon, and only covering 4 models and getting 60 hits.

opponent; there's 4 models under the template

you; okay multiply that by 15

opponent; wha... wha... what

Just buy a box of boys and make both. Why waste bitz

You're going to need more than that!
Only 1 box? that has 4 Burnas and 4 Lootas (bits) in there and 5 bodies (1 Mek).
Don't field them until you have a couple more boxes.

Once you have the 3 boxes, check out Clthomps post.

Eric

Burnaz aint bad in a footsluggin army either.
You need a good mass and probably "DaDok" aka Grotsnik in your army or even in that Burna Mob to make the effective, else it´s a waste of points. I think Burnaz aint bad but Lootaz are soo much better that people dont see there are Burnaz.

For example, having 15Burnaz with Grotsnik attached and get them into CC together with a 30Boyz stron Slugga Mob or the rest of it will make your opponent cry out. Alone Burnaz wont cut it without a Battlewagon but in multiple CC´s they will own pretty damn good and vs low armor stuff like Nids and IG or Orkz *hrhr* they can roast a ton of stuff before they´ll die.
But yes, use all parts together with some Slugga Bitz else it´s a waste of money and bitz.

I agree with most everyone else here. Lootas are generally good to have around, but depending on your army and if you have transports for burnas they are definitely nasty. Making both would get you the bang for your buck for sure, but if you had to go with one I still personally like my lootas.

Someone mentioned earlier about throwing Grotsnik into the unit for FNP. That sounds kinda fun, but why bother forcing them down the middle? I'd much rather just keep em in the wagon and let them do their thing that much faster. If they ever needed to get out or your vehicle goes up, you will have an extra save to take against whatever.

Just be careful cuz burnas count as power weapons in close combat ONLY if you haven't shot them previously in that same turn! Otherwise you've just got normal boyz swingin, which isn't all that bad either, but.. who doesn't want to ignore armor?

breadhat wrote:
Just be careful cuz burnas count as power weapons in close combat ONLY if you haven't shot them previously in that same turn! Otherwise you've just got normal boyz swingin, which isn't all that bad either, but.. who doesn't want to ignore armor?

10 Burnas vs. 10 Beakies

ALL BURN

Shooting
(assuming 3 hits per model, not unlikely IMO)

30 hits - 15 wounds - 10 saves - 5 dead Beakies

Assault
(9 Burnas hitting back after Beakies are done)


27 attacks - 13, 5 hits - 6,75 wounds - 4,5 saves - 2,25 dead Beakies

TOTAL: 7,25 Beakies dead - 9 Burnas still standing


ALL POWERWEAPON

Shooting

NA

Assault
(8 Burnas hitting back after Beakies are done)

24 attacks - 12 hits - 6 wounds - 0 saves - 6 dead Beakies

TOTAL: 6 dead Beakies - 8 Burnas still standing


HALF-n-HALF


Shooting

15 hits - 7,5 wounds - 5 saves - 2,5 dead Beakies


Assault
(assuming you take casualties from non-PW Burnas)
(8,5 Burnas still standing after Beakies are done)

24 attacks - 12 hits - 6 wounds - 1,5 saves - 4,5 dead Beakies

TOTAL: 7 dead Beakies - 8,5 Burnas still standing


Variables:

Armour better than 3+ points towards more PW
Armour worse than 3+ points towards less PW
Cover is irrelevant since we hit last anyway

Conclusion: Remember to make them do the Burny Dance always. It is just a question of how long the dance is.

Add Grotsnik into you math and you will come out on top vs them with a way better result.
And even able to kick some Termi Ass with them. For 20Pts a burna you get a cybork body (Grotsnik in your army), FNP when Grotsnik is attached and if your assaulting them you have Ini 4 same as them. I dont know but I would call that "buttwhiping" some termis.
2Burnaz on 1 termi costwise plus 6 attacks - 2burnaz on 1 termi - that´s a lot of armor ignoring gak you can pull out vs them. Not the worst thing imo.
The only problem is getting into cc but that shouldn´t be a problem when playing a footsluggin army. Not to mention with cybork bodies they cost as much as a Nob without wargear. Sure, just 1LP but ok, therefor no need to buy PKlaws or such stuff. And you can be sure they´ll rape those termis in cc. Nobz would do as well if the mob is 5+ but it can be very costly very fast. So all in all I would say burnaz aint a poor choice at all. You just cant play them in any list and really suffer from not using Grotsnik with them.

Or, you could just take Nobz on bikes.

whitedragon wrote:Or, you could just take Nobz on bikes.

Yeah sure. But I dont like Nob Bika Lists as much as I like my Footsluggin Goffs.

And even able to kick some Termi Ass with them. For 20Pts a burna you get a cybork body (Grotsnik in your army), FNP when Grotsnik is attached and if your assaulting them you have Ini 4 same as them. I dont know but I would call that "buttwhiping" some termis.

Calculations not based on having Grotsnik. Reference to my above post.

Tactical Marines: Use "All burn", expect to kill 7,25 Marines and WIN cc by 1-2.

Normal Terminators/Thunder hammer terminators: Use "All power", expect to kill 5 Terminators and WIN cc by 1.

Assault Marines: Use "All burn", expect to kill 6,75 Marines and LOSE cc by 1-2.
Use "All power", expect to kill 4,5 Marines and WIN cc by 1.

Lightning claw Terminators (this is going to hurt): Use "All burn", expect to kill 3 Terminators and LOSE cc by 5
(Use "All power", expect to kill 1,5 Terminators and LOSE cc by 6)

For my burnas I bought box of fantasy orcs and used them to make the burnas and the 40K torsos for the lootas. This also allowed me to make all the squad weapons and slugga boys from my boyz mobs, and gave me variety in my miniatures. The fantasy orc regiment is the most cost effective way of getting plain old orc torsos, heads and legs.

I used burnas in a tournament recently in a battlewagon. They can do well, but a canny opponent will pop the wagon very early and then splatter your burnas all over the field.
Lootas like wise can be neutralised though so it's down to taste.

if you want to really have fun throw grotsnik with a kammando mob with snikrot " very nice i like "

tanith45 wrote:if you want to really have fun throw grotsnik with a kammando mob with snikrot " very nice i like "

Yes, a very fitting comment in a thread about Lootas and Burnas. Yes, indeed.

Bringing lootas or burnas is really dependent on your list. In any foot slogging list, lootas are a must have to get an effective firebase. Of course, if you play Speed Freeks or Armoured Krumpany, I'd say burnas are the better buy; when you have four battlewagons trudging down the field, it is really easy to sneak up a trukk filled with burnas right behind.

Take neither nor. Lootas tend to run when they get shot, and Burnaz need to be transported. An opponent worth her salt will pop that transport immediately.

i wouldn't be so sure. trucks seem to disappear when faced with four full battlewagons :-P

As has been said, it really just depends on what you do. I run Shooty Orks, so I run Lootas. Lots of them. Ideally, I will field about 30 in the near future with that specific list. However, Burnas seem like they wouldn't be a bad addition in they are in a transport. Otherwise, I am not sure how they would do slogging it.