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pulsara special rules:

extreme loyalty: the pulsara do not like to displease their commander. therefore subtract one from their rolls for leadership checks

"purge the corrupt": the pulsara hate all corrupt beings. subtract 2 points from all models total point cost when fighting an army with a chaos, necron, or dark eldar model in it.

"they shall be punished":when a pulsara model is killed in close combat, he will strike back a single strenght 4 attack with half of its original weapon skill.

armory:

close combat weapons:

ion staff +1s +1a -2I
plasma blade: +1s +d3a
slash blade: no bonus
time ripper: +d6a, power weapon, allows movement as jump infantry
atom crusher: +1a +2s -2I
partical blade: +1a
neuro poison injector: wounds on 3+ no save

ranged weapons:

void cannon: range: 36" str:7 AP2
type: assult 2 implode, rending

heavy void cannon: range: 48" str:7 AP2
type: heavy 2 implode, rending

photon rifle: range: 24" str:6 AP4
type: assult 2 cause extra wound on 6

photon cannon: range 48" str:7 AP3
type heavy 3 causes extra wound on 6

partical pistol: range: 12" str:4 AP5
type: pistol

partical rifle: range: 24" str:4 AP5
type: assult 2

partical cannon: range 36" str 5 AP4
type: heavy 3

heavy partical cannon: range 72" str 9 AP2
type: ordinance 1, rending, small blast

pulse rifle: range: 24" str: 4 AP5
type: assult 2, small blast

pulse cannon: range 36" str 5 AP3
type: heavy 2, large blast

shock pistol: range 12" str 5 AP6
type: pistol, immobilises tanks on 6

shock rifle range 24" str6 AP4
type assult 2 immobilises tanks on 6

heavy shock cannon: range 48" str 9 AP2
type heavy 1 immobilises tanks on 4+

worm hole projector: range:flamer template str:- AP-
type: assult 2, model is killed on 6

burst laser rifle: range 48" str X AP4
type: heavy 2, sniper, pinning

canister rifle: range 36: str:X AP6
type: heavy 1, sniper, pinning

CTF rifle: range: 24" str:4 AP5
type: rapid fire

missile launcher: heavy 1
longbolt missile: range 48" str 8 AP3
small blast
gemini missile: range 48" str 4 AP6
small blast, frag and krak
hellfire missile: range 48" str 8 AP3
ordinance 1, large blast, ignores cover
halo missile: range 48" str 6 AP4
small blast, scatter 1 template then scatter 4 more templates from original template

cyclone laser cannon: range 72" str:10 AP1 ordinance 4, on 6 shot is deflected, scatter 3d6 inches then resolve effects

armor:

razor armor: 5+inv. save +1a +1s
alpha partical armor: 6+ inv save against all attacks originating over 18" away
phase armor: 5+ inv. save against attacts originating over 12" away
beta armor: no bonus
omega partical armor: inv save of 4+
kelmora crystal armor: 3+inv sv +1s +1t

other equipment:

phase partical grenades: both frag and krak grenades
screecher helm: -1 ld for all enemies within 6"
screamer helm: - 2 ld for all enemies within 12"
neuro poison:after death, small template, wounds on 4+

the army:

troop choice

shadow scout 15pts per model

infantry

ws4 bs4 s4 t4 w1 a1 ld10 sv4+ #/squad:9
arclite:ws5 bs4 s4 t4 w1 a2 ld10 sv4+ #/squad:1

special rules
pulsara
infiltrators
scouts

weapons and equipment:
beta armor
slash blade
CTF rifle

update tomorrow

purge the corrupt should probably be a favoured enemy type rule.

looks good, whats the save value on the Beta armor? and possible too many weapons types, narrow it down a little...now what units do you have finalized?

Buh?! Guh?! Huh?!

whats going on here? please provide some background for armies you make up, it will make it much easier to critique them. i can give you more help if you give me a more complete picture of what youre trying to do.

as it stands however:

why do they have Ld10 AND extreme loyalty? it means that they will only ever break from being thoroughly beaten in combat.

purge the corrupt is an awful rule. just plain awful. it means you have to recalculate your army list every time you play someone with these armies. from a background perspective why are the three you have chosen any more corrupt than, say, the inquisition, who torture people to death to acheive their ends; or the tau, who tell you to join them and behave in exactly the way they do, or kill you and everyone you know if you disagree; or normal eldar, who are quite happy to slaughter billions to protect the lives of just a few of their own; or orks that have caused more death, destruction and suffering than all the rest put together? you really havent thought about this one have you?

why do they make an attack after they have died? to they explode? what happens?



how do these weapons work? what do they fire? what the hell is a CTF Rifle? all of these questions and more should be answered before you post stats. those that cause an extra wound on a 6, is that a 6 to hit or to roll? why not give them rending or make them poisoned? what does implode mean? why do the guns that immobilise tanks not immobilise other sorts of vehicles too (well that battlewagon cant move, but that trukk full of boys is still racing towards us)? why do they immoblise vehicles at all? does the immobilisation over rule the 5 and 6 results? why is a wormhole projector assault 2 FLAMER? it should be heavy 1, small blast and cost the galaxy to use. pulse rifles are already in use by the tau so you cant use that name.

why does being covered in spikes give you +1S and +1A? CSM are coved in spikes and they dont get those bonuses. jwhy does normal armout give you bonuses at all (again not explanation)

why have your basic infanty (i assume theyre basic infanty) have the same stats as a SM? couldnt you think of anything more imaginative?


you havent provided any background, no real points costs and it looks like youve just picked some numbers and special rules out of middair. go away and think about what youre trying to accomplish. think about the background, what their goal are, who their enemies are, where they came from. writing a new codex for a new race takes a lot of time, effort and thought, none of which you have out into this. it looks amateurish. when you have done all these things, come back and i will take you more seriously.

I totally missed that Cyclone Launcher on first read.
RNG 72, STR10, AP1, Ordanace 4, are you kidding?

Dexy wrote:I totally missed that Cyclone Launcher on first read.
RNG 72, STR10, AP1, Ordanace 4, are you kidding?

ok, the cyclone laser cannon is only avaliable in apocalypse for an upgrade for a vehical

Regwon wrote:Buh?! Guh?! Huh?!

whats going on here? please provide some background for armies you make up, it will make it much easier to critique them. i can give you more help if you give me a more complete picture of what youre trying to do.

ill have finished bacground in couple of days

as it stands however:

why do they have Ld10 AND extreme loyalty? it means that they will only ever break from being thoroughly beaten in combat.

REMEMBER, THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT I'LL WORK OUT THE KINKS ALONG THE WAY.

purge the corrupt is an awful rule. just plain awful. it means you have to recalculate your army list every time you play someone with these armies. from a background perspective why are the three you have chosen any more corrupt than, say, the inquisition, who torture people to death to acheive their ends; or the tau, who tell you to join them and behave in exactly the way they do, or kill you and everyone you know if you disagree; or normal eldar, who are quite happy to slaughter billions to protect the lives of just a few of their own; or orks that have caused more death, destruction and suffering than all the rest put together? you really havent thought about this one have you?

"purge the corrupt": the reason why i chose these three is because the pulsara were around during the fall of the eldar,
their main goal is to eliminate the chaos, and also the eldar so that they cannot create anything so corrupt again.

why do they make an attack after they have died? to they explode? what happens?

i wrote the "they shall be punished" wrong
its supposed to be, before they die they get one more chance to wound their opponant before they actually die.
therefore they strike a single strength 4 attack with half of its original ws.

how do these weapons work? what do they fire? what the hell is a CTF Rifle? all of these questions and more should be answered before you post stats. those that cause an extra wound on a 6, is that a 6 to hit or to roll? why not give them rending or make them poisoned? what does implode mean? why do the guns that immobilise tanks not immobilise other sorts of vehicles too (well that battlewagon cant move, but that trukk full of boys is still racing towards us)? why do they immoblise vehicles at all? does the immobilisation over rule the 5 and 6 results? why is a wormhole projector assault 2 FLAMER? it should be heavy 1, small blast and cost the galaxy to use. pulse rifles are already in use by the tau so you cant use that name.

those that cause an extra wound on a 6, is that a 6 to hit or to roll?

its roll to wound not to hit.

what does implode mean?

same as gets hot, when they lose their final wound they are sucked into the small black hole created by the weapon imploding.
the black hole dissapates afterwards

pulse rifles are already in use by the tau so you cant use that name.

k never fought the tau didnt know.
got any other names for it?
how about crystal rifle and crystal cannon?

why do the guns that immobilise tanks not immobilise other sorts of vehicles too (well that battlewagon cant move, but that trukk full of boys is still racing towards us)?

what do you think it should be?
all vehicals?
tanks?
skimmers?
walkers?
transports?

why do they immoblise vehicles at all?

they make the electrical systems go haywire.

does the immobilisation over rule the 5 and 6 results?

5 but not 6

why does being covered in spikes give you +1S and +1A? CSM are coved in spikes and they dont get those bonuses. jwhy does normal armout give you bonuses at all (again not explanation)

razor armor is not covered in spikes, the armor warps time like the time ripper so the weilder can get an extra, stronger attack in before his opponant gets a chance to react.

why have your basic infanty (i assume theyre basic infanty) have the same stats as a SM? couldnt you think of anything more imaginative?

ill edit that since you pointed it out.
im using the creature creator i found on the OZ site
http://oz.games-workshop.com/download/download.htm?/games/40k/painting/creatures/assets/CreatureFeature.pdf

you havent provided any background, no real points costs and it looks like youve just picked some numbers and special rules out of middair. go away and think about what youre trying to accomplish. think about the background, what their goal are, who their enemies are, where they came from. writing a new codex for a new race takes a lot of time, effort and thought, none of which you have out into this. it looks amateurish. when you have done all these things, come back and i will take you more seriously.

THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT NOT A FINAL COPY I'll WORK OUT THE KINKS ALONG THE WAY

edit:

void weaponry:
the gun shoots a small sphere of anti-matter at the target. when the target is hit it creates a hole in its body

photon weaponry:
photon guns shoot small tendrils of energy that are absorbed into the targets body, as they are absorbes the targets body the heart spasms(this is what takes the extra wound)

partical weaponry:
the weapon shoots massive amounts of frozen particals it gathers from the air around it at extremely high speeds.

crytal weaponry:
the gun creates an exremely low pitched soundwave in the hilt, while kelmora crystal shards are lined up just inside the barrel.
the sound wave is then directed down the barrel. the shards react to the sound causing them to harden. when the trigger is pulled the crystals are launched from the barrel. when the first crystal hits its target it causes virtually no damage but creates a sound that causes to all the other crystals to harden. as the crystals in between the first and the last hit, they shatter into a thousand pieces hitting anything within a small radius. the last crystal is what does the most damage to the target, tearing flesh and metal like paper.

shock weaponry
shoots electrically charged bullets made from furinax crystals. when they hit a vehical they cause an electrical disturbance that causes the electrical systems to go haywire.

worm hole projector:
the gun is able to sustain and contain a small black hole for a short period of time

canister rifle:
the gun is loaded with a kelmora crytal in a small canister. when the canister hits the crystal hardens from the sound and it peirces the canister and the targets armor.

CTF rifle:
stands for crystilized tarsus flake rifle
the tarsus flake reacts with the psychic emanations of all sentient beings.
when it hits the target their psychic presence causes the flake to turn into a liquid that finds a way into the targets armor.
once in side the armor it enters the body throught the nose, ears, and mouth, and works its way to the brain where it feeds off the emanations and expands slowly until the hosts head explodes


more later...

UPDATE:

getting rid of shadow scouts:
the following will take their place

MISUNDERSTOOD THE overulling of the 5 or 6 result:
immobilises on 6, the 1 is still shaken, 2 is still stunned, 3 still weapon destroyed, 4 is still immobilised, 5 is still wrecked, 6 is immobilised

troop choice:

resonance knights

18 pts/model, (PTC pts: 16pts/model)

type: infantry

ws:4 bs:4 s:4 t:3 w:1 i:4 a:2 ld:9 sv:4+ #/squad:7
Arclite:
ws:5 bs:4 s:4 t:3 w:3 i:5 a:3 ld:9 sv:4+ #/squad:1

weapons and equipment:
beta armor
partical rifle
phase partical grenades
slash blade

weapon
partical rifle
range:24" str:4 AP5
type: assult 2

special rules:
pulsara
relentless

options:
one model may trade partical rifle for +15pts
one model may trade partical rifle for a burst rifle or a canister rifle for +10pts
up to 2 models may trade partical rifle for worm hole projector for + 30pts/model or a photon rifle for +12pts
one model may trade partical rifle for shock cannon for +20 pts
up to 3 models may trade partical rifle for crystal rifle or a partical cannon for +15 pts/model
all models can trade slash blade for partical blade for +5pts/model or neuro poison injector for +10 pts/model
the arclite may trade beta armor and slash blade for gamma armor and atom crusher for + 20 pts

gamefreak wrote:pulsara special rules:


"purge the corrupt": the pulsara hate all corrupt beings. subtract 2 points from all models total point cost when fighting an army with a chaos, necron, or dark eldar model in it.

that really needs to be reworked. It be ridiculous to have to rework the army that much and when would you do it, after you saw there army ?

"O your playing that well .. i get X more points and ill add theses that should counter it nicely. "

deviant cadaver wrote:

gamefreak wrote:pulsara special rules:


"purge the corrupt": the pulsara hate all corrupt beings. subtract 2 points from all models total point cost when fighting an army with a chaos, necron, or dark eldar model in it.

that really needs to be reworked. It be ridiculous to have to rework the army that much and when would you do it, after you saw there army ?

"O your playing that well .. i get X more points and ill add theses that should counter it nicely. "

you would do it before you found out what he was fielding.

what do you think it should be then?

gamefreak wrote:you would do it before you found out what he was fielding.

what do you think it should be then?

ANYTHING would be better. Purge the Corrupt is, without exception, the worst serious rule attempt I've ever seen.

All this rule means is that NO ONE in their right mind would ever play those armies.

"Wow, you get a TON of free crap if I play Chaos? Then I won't play Chaos."

Make it Preferred Enemy (Dark Eldar, Chaos, Necrons).

update:

"purge the corrupt" is now preferred enemies

post new unit in couple of hours

sorry about taking so long had to program a calculator for the past three days and now i have to create a program the opens all of your exe files on your computer.

cant post any model stats for right now.

major setback in background writing: girlfreind put all of our bills and junk paper around my house and sent them through the paper shredder; she picked my notes along with it. will take a coupleof monthe until i write it all again.

post another models stats tomorrow

hq choice:

wellber, lord of the pulsara

pts:120

infantry

ws:6 bs:5 s:5 t:5 w:4 I:7 A:4 ld:10 sv: 2+

weapons and equipment:
kelmora crystal armor
time ripper
screamer helm
phase partical grenades
neuro poison
crystal rifle

special rules:
independant character
fearless
pulsara
eternal warrior
knights of wellber are counted as troops as well as elites

options:
take 5 knights of wellber as an escort for + 25 pts per model

post knights of wellber tomorrow

elites choice

pts/model: 25

infantry

ws:5 bs:4 s:4 t:5 w:1 I:7 A:2 ld:9 sv:3+ #/squad:7


arclite
ws:6 bs:5 s:5 t:4 w:2 i:7 a:3 ld:9 sv:3+ #/squad:1

weapons and equipment
ion staff
phase armor
phase partical grenades
crystal cannon

specialrules:
fearless
eternal warrior
pulsara
relentless

options will be posted later

FLUFF FLUFF FLUFF AND BACKGROUND

this is what you are missing. without this nothing you are writing makes sense. without this you are wasting your time. write the background first, before you write anymore stats. then i will be able to tell you what you are doing well and what you could do better.

right now all you are doing is showing me some numbers.

show be some soul.

k will post the fluff during the week after christmas.
working on it right now but i dont have enough time to type it out.
what forum would i post it under?
fluff for nutters or dakka fluff?

gamefreak wrote:

void weaponry:
the gun shoots a small sphere of anti-matter at the target. when the target is hit it creates a hole in its body

first as soon as the anti-matter touches the air it would explode, also it wouldn't create a hole in the body it would make a giant explosion (a half ounce of antimatter would cause an explosion that would destroy new york)

blah blah blah blah. why does every one point out the stuff that is wrong with things and never notices any thing that is right. the entire world is one big negative space every one complains about every thing.

ill be posting some of the back ground today.

this is a condenced version of what i wrote just in case you guys don like it , i'm not wasting my time.

newtons third law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite action, but far before newton was born the Old Ones used this principal against the Necrons aeons ago.
as the war in heaven was reaching its climax the Old Ones were beginning to become desperate, creating creatures with closer and closer ties to the warp energies that they had commanded for millenia. their most prized creation, the eldar were beginning to become more and more corrupt. in retalliation to both the necrons and the eldar, the Old Ones created the Pulsara. the pulsara were created with no connection with the warp so they would not fall under the influence of chaos, and they were given the power to control the flow of time around them in a small radius to counter their disadvantage. but the Old Ones were too late, once the pulsara were created the necrons were going into stasis.

the pulsara fought the forces of chaos for many years, yet the longer they fought the more the pulsara realized that the chaos could not be defeated, it simply spread too fast for the pulsara to counter it even with their ability to control time. so the pulsara decided to leave the galaxy and one day return when the time was right.

as their ships began to leave many pulsara planets were islands of good under siege by evil. many pulsara were lost in the dog fights that followed.

update in the next hour.

after the pulsara left the once beutiful galaxy was black, and war quickly followed.

the pulsara had a very long trip ahead of them they traveled far beyond the galactic plane.
they found planets made entirely of strange crystals, and on these planets they found elemental beings so powerful that the pulsara were in awe of them, and they allied themselves with the beings who agreed to help the pulsara defeat this newly spawned evil. some of the pulsara stayed on those planets and others moved on.

this isnt finished but i dont have time to finish it right now

ummm, i dont mean to look like a nit picker, but even with my VERY basic knolage of the fluff (and having read the necron codex reacently) was chaos even a majour player at the time of the big old one vs necron war??, wasn't it much later that the elder got mixed up with chaos??, please feel free to correct me if i am wrong, as i said, my knolage of the fluff is basic at best

mine is too but in the necron codex on page twenty five, second paragraph of "necron ascendancy" it states:

"Eventually the Old Ones legendary for their patience and implacability, became desparate. They manipulated life into new forms with an ever closer link to the warp, desiring minions with the ability of channeling psychic energies to defend themselves. They nurtured many potential warrior races, and there is speculation that these included the earliest Eldar, the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others...."

if this is true why couldn't the Old Ones make a race that manipulated time instead of the warp energies. it is pottentially less dangerous than using psychic abilities.

ah, i agree, i was talking about the references to the elder becomeing more and more corrupt, if memory serves me right it was a long time after the wars that they split and the glorius dark elder were created

gamefreak wrote:blah blah blah blah.

He's just trying to point something out. No need to be an ass about it.

i know i was just really frustrated that day because nothing was going right. i was going back to my house when i broke down on the interstate and had to walk 8 miles just to get some gas, then after i had already bought my mom's present for Christmas they ended up putting a recall on it and i couldnt return it because walmart wouldnt let me. finally my uncle was supposed to come down from michigan on the 24th. he didnt bother to call and tell me that he didnt feel like it until the 26th

any way ill post some more of the background later today

I like it. It reminds me of how the Pan Fo were reviled.

Is that good or bad?

also if this is all the feed back I am going to get I wont post any more of this I'll just move it to another website.

That is bad.

You said before if we dont like it then you wont waste your time.

First of all this would have been much better as an Article than a series of disjoined posts. I dont like having to flick backwards and forwards in a book, let alone on a forum.

Your wargear doesnt have any unit entries to relate to them so i cant comment on their power because it largely depends on their cost.

The unit entries you have posted make no sense because you have provided so little background. I know what the deal with space marines is because it says in their codex that they are genetically modified super-humans with guns that fire exploding bullets. What do yours guys do?

Finally the background that you have posted has no grounding in 40K cannon. Eldar didnt start to become corrupt until tens of millenia after the last necron had gone into stasis. There is no precedent for being able to control time. The Old Ones command over the warp was questionable in itself. Necrons hate Chaos because they have no connection to the warp, so if the pulsara were created to aid in fighting the necrons then why do they hate chaos.

Go away and do this properly. If you want anyone to take you seriously then we need a decent background and a full army roster AT THE VERY LEAST. Complete background, including encounters with the imperium and the orks, their view on other races and maybe even some artwork would be preferable.

In short we dont like it, so dont waste your time.

sorry but the hq choice way to good 120 points you got to be kidding.