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I am new and have a question in the ork rulebook it says a ork can have it's head chopped off but the head and body will continue to live"? Why does the game give the orks a 6 plus armor save even though they have such tough skin and last so long after they are "technically" dead? Would someone help me?

Orks have a high toughness - armour save represents external protection. Bear into account that an ork wearing a silk shirt and no pants would probably still get the 6+ save.

This thread should probably be moved to a 40K topic, unless you want to change the thread title to something more fitting for the 'Introductions' topic... but Welcome to Dakka either way!

I don't care there skin is better than any stupid space marine armour. And also do I have to rewrite it?

Are you there ratty?

There is a way to counter their bad armor save...

It's called 'ARD BOYZ.

The real answer to you question, is that there is a huge difference between what is called "fluff" - the background, the small stories, the flavour text, the mood setter (basically every codex says that their warriors are the toughest, best and baddest) and the actual rules.

This is just the way things are in the 41. millenium.

To get an idea of why the fluff is sometimes not the same as the rules, read The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer

I love the uplifting primer, battlesuits are for bedwetters and orks are 3 feet tall!!!

Looks like this thread is just about done. So to shamelessly threadjack, the 'Ard Boyz upgrade... with the KFF and that 4+ armor save costing 2/3 of the total model while only adding 50% survivability, a more accurate pricing would be 2 points. Thoughts?

Nope.

Because you are increasing the survivability of an entire MOB of Orks, not just the individual. This is a significant improvement, especially with their already decent T4.

Just to throw gas on the fire. A blind Space Marine in the 40K novals was able to kill a whole squad of orks. So rethink how tough orks are to them.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
180 Gretchin with Cybork body

TOUGH

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Nope.

Because you are increasing the survivability of an entire MOB of Orks, not just the individual. This is a significant improvement, especially with their already decent T4.

I don't really see your point (so you could very well be arguing in favor of mine, no idea). 5 squads of 30 boyz with PK nobs and a KFF Big Mek costs 1160 pts, 151 models with a 5+ cover save. It'll take an average of 200 wounds to kill them off with shooting, or 175 wounds with melee combat.

4 squads of +2 pt. 'Ard Boyz and a Big Mek sans KFF costs 1135 pts, 121 models with a 4+ armor save and a Big Mek with a 6+ armor save. It'll take 180 wounds to kill them off with shooting, and most likely 180 wounds in close combat as well. Against low AP or power weapons they perform less well than normal Tshirt Orks against both shooting and melee.

So, if anything, 'Eavy Armor is overcosted at even 2 pts per model.

You can only have one unit of 'Ard Boyz though. And they are filthy nasty in that they can go in front of the non-Ardboyz, giving the normal Boyz a longer lasting skirmish screen to hide behind.

Not to mention that you can have a mob which rides in a Trukk or Battlewagon be Ardboyz, substantially improving their durability given that they have a lower ceiling for unit size due to the space limitations of the transport.

Ard Boyz also give you the ability to increase the durability of a mob which you want to have pperate away from the Big Mek. Sometimes it's tactically valuable to have an element which is not dependent on staying in KFF range.

... Thus reflecting a points cost increase. However, my whole point is not that 'Ard Boyz are equal to Regular Boyz, simply that the 'Eavy Armor increase is so expensive that nobody ever takes it. How many winning builds have you seen taking 'Eavy Armor?