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HQ
Beilel
Sammual
Command Squad 2x Plasma Guns PW Rhino Apoth

Troops
DW 5 man SB/CF SB/PW AC/Apoth Fist SB/PF TLC
DW 5 man SB/PF SB/PW AC/Fist SB/PF TLC
RW 3 man 2x Plasma Gun PW Apoth AB - MM
RW 3 man Flamer Meltagun PW AB - MM


3 DA Apoths !!!!!!!!

For 1750 I will throw in 2 Vindicators!!

this list would get ownd real fast ive got 4 tactical squads kitted out at around 800 points thats 40 marines vs your 25ish guys and i still have 700 points left. it would be an easy win for me i would think.

depends on who gets in CC and how and if I deny you the ability to shoot what you want!! Plus remember that the DA apoth is different!

it wouldnt matter what i shot it would be dead unless your going to hide the whole game. and im not afraid of CC i have my very own secret unit that does wonders in CC i would tell you what it is but then more people will start using it and that wouldnt be good for me. but yes your army is good but in 5th ED it lacks the amount of out put fire power in a single turn that you will need against alot of armys in 5th ED mainly orks, and at 1750 is where my army gets nasty ill try to post the list tomorrow if i can remember to bring it to work.

I don't think you can take the command squad without taking a Company Master.

As for the rest of the list. It certainly isn't "power gaming" but the build can be effective if you play really, really well.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Yea you can take that its a Weird Rule in Codex DA

It states you can take a Command Squad for every DA Independent Character

Sammual isnt a IC but beilel is.

They dont get a Command squad option just upgrade to 1 of the current squads. Like the RW apoth and the DW apoth

The ideal behind the list is that every unit will have an apoth within its Area so plasma is next to nill when it comes to over heating. I have scoring units that are tough as nails and ones that are fast as hell!!! Not to mention that the rhino gets 4 Plasma gun shots at 24 inches!

That and the only thing I have too setup on first turn can get the Command squad in a rhino that i can just keep in Reserve if I wanted too!

Which would screw up some of those many drop armys that are out there!!

Well it seems it will do well vs anyone but Deathmachine and Orks
which I can live with ;-)

haha, how do you plan to beat things like Nob Bikes, Battlewagon Orks, Horde Orks, Nidzilla, Lash Spam, low AP weapons (like SM melta spam), Dark Lance spam, or Mech Eldar? Those are the top tier lists and I don't see you having a good matchup against any of them.

You have no real ability to deal with tanks or high toughness targets unless you make CC with them. You likely won't catch a tank standing still, and the overwhelming majority of high toughness models are at least good in close combat.

Deny me things to shoot at? True Line of Sight makes that almost impossible. You may be able to enjoy a host of 4+ cover saves, but its very hard to actually pull your models out of LoS in 5e assuming a table with GT style terrain.

Basically, this is hardly a "powergaming" list and it has bad matchups against all of the top tier and most of the second tier lists out there.

Sure, apothecaries are cool and all, but they aren't going to keep any one unit alive for very long with the entire opposing army shooting at it. Its very easy to flat out ignore the termies for 2-3 turns while the walk across the table and deal with the bikes (and 6 bikes will die fast, probably in a turn with the entire opposing army shooting them). After that, your termies are horribly slow and can be picked apart fairly easily by low AP weapons (of which ther are at least a few in competetive lists). Or, they can be charged and smashed to bits by Nob Bike squads/other dedicated CC units.

I'm also very unsure on your Command Squad. Aren't command squads retinues for Independent characters? If so, they must acompany Belial, which means you can't have a Rhino IIRC (due to termie armor, I might be wrong with this one though).

Nob bikes (don't play vs it)
Mech Eldar has Skimmers Just hide the bikes as long as I can
I would own Nidzilla man
I have never played orks so I'm OK with that auto loss
And people are moving away from the Low ap Spam Due to the amount of cover!!
I would love Melta Spam I still get many save most of the time and I would be able to get in CC!

I would call the fact that you have 3 Apoth (the better da version) a very power gaming kinda list man

The whole list could out flank (except the command squad rhino in reserve) And would do very well vs many list out there

the command squad is in normal armor its in the DA codex

hmmm i was thinking tho

I could drop 1 of the bikes squads for some points to help vs other lists

that's 215 on points any ideas???

hmmm or maybe this isnt a good 1500 idea and it should go to 1750

And sorry if i came off like this is the "list"

anyways you guys would run it differently

The lists I mentioned are tournament armies that you will see lots of at GTs. In a casual setting, people will tend to consider tournament armies as "powergaming" so I compared it to the top tournament lists. In comparison to things at the top of the powr curve, this is hardly a powergaming list. I play a really standard and fairly boing dual lash list, and I'd be very happy to see this army across the table from mine.

You may get on fine with this list at your FLGS but in a competetive setting, you probably won't have the same type of results.

So how could I make this list one that lash would see across and be a little worried "What in this list is a waist of time and points" I know Multi wing has gone for the gold before and could do it again. But how???

A DA player with a similar list won 2nd place in a UK GT heat.

G

I would probably drop the command squad for another terminator squad. Can DA take termis in Drop Pods?

No they can't, but with the bikes they don't really need to as all RW bikes have teleport homers.

And yes, someone did take 2nd with a list like this in the UK Heat but regardless this is a list that would take a lot (x2) of skill to use effectively. I see power lists as the ones that practically play themselves.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

sorry for the noob questions but im just painting up my da army and im trying to figure out to go old codex or new codex(khan command squad on bikes for furious charge,hit and run,his relic weapon,feel no pain,plus vulkan for the tl and mc new codex)i was going 2 termie squads,two tactical plasma,2 6 man ravenwing with 2 indepentent attack bikes,all scoring,vindicator if i can,belial and sammael(jetbikes deadly no insta kill) old codex ,anyway how are you getting 4 24" plasma shots from the rhino and how does the old apoth work,the list looks good(love 3 apoths)but the model count is the only thing

yea i have decided that this is the direction of this list

HQ
Belial
Sammual
Command Squad Apoth Power Weapon and 2 Plasma Guns In a Razorback with TLHB

Troops

2x 5 man Deathwing Termies Assualt Cannon 1 Twin Lighting Claws Power Weapon
1x 5 man Deathwing Termies Assualt Cannon 1 Twin Lighting Claws Apoth Banner
1x 6 man Ravenwing Squad Power Weapon 2x Plasma Guns Apoth Attack Bike MM
1x 3 man Ravenwing Squad 1x Melta Gun 1x Flamer Power Weapon Attack Bike MM

Elites

1x Dreadnought Plasma Cannon Heavy Flamer