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I hear tell that if Orks believe something enough, it occurs. I.e, red things go faster, etc.

Why not 'outwit' the orks?

Set up some kind of plan that some Big Orks see that involves, I don't know, 'one shot from a new Imperial Weapon kills you dead instantly' and works by some kind of trick.

Er, not terribly clear, that.

Set up an 'illusion' that some new Imperial Weapon Kills "99% of Orks Dead, stone Dead" off one shot, regardless of how weak the impact. Let some Orks escape to spread the word. Bingo, let the Orks see the new weapon and, er, more bingo the battle is won.

Not a great example, but I think the essential idea is sound.

Well,If (and this if is big) they could control the dna pattern of the ork spores to be able to modify the withborn ork knowledge they could actually destroy the chance of developing oddboys and destroy the fighting skills they are born with. That way one could make the orks into mindless slavering grasseating idiots. Thing Is, it is somuch easier to develop a races discriminating virusbomb made to turn big orks into pools of bad smelling slurry, and that is more within the imperials technological limits. (Read RT virus grenades description)

Posssibly easier to tell the orcs something like;

"look at 'em 'nids boyz ! Dave got loadsa teef ! If we WAAAAAAAAgh a hive fleet, wez all gonna be ritch !"

Leaving us normal people to have a nice cup of tea, without the orcs and nids disturbing us.

I heard da orkz and nidz are fightin right now!!!! I actually hope the orks wins, cause nidz are mean :(

what? kill off the Orks? lmao thats IMPOSSIBLE! IMPOSSIBLE I SAY!!! WAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

KingCracker wrote:what? kill off the Orks? lmao thats IMPOSSIBLE! IMPOSSIBLE I SAY!!! WAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

Get orks to believe their only worthy opponent is another ork and the will ignore every other creature.

Not killed off,but neutralized.

Amen Brick wrote:

Set up an 'illusion' that some new Imperial Weapon Kills "99% of Orks Dead, stone Dead" off one shot, regardless of how weak the impact. Let some Orks escape to spread the word. Bingo, let the Orks see the new weapon and, er, more bingo the battle is won.

Not a great example, but I think the essential idea is sound.

Oh god, no.

You know how Gargants were created?

Some orks were getting their asses kicked by a titan, so a mek decides to build a bigger, meaner, stompier version. Thus the gargant.

If you got the Orks to believe you got a new weapon that "kills 99.9% of Orks no matter what" they will make a bigger, meaner, killier version that "kills 99.99% of you no matter what." congratulations on giving orks a brand new weapon to use! One things Orks got on lock down is the ability to reverse engineer/ dominate an arms race. In the Main rulebook, in the Ork section, there is a little blip where it shows that Orks have reverse engineered Necron technology for their own use

That's if it worked that way. Remember, Orks have a very selective thought process. They never lose, remember?

Mekniakal wrote:
If you got the Orks to believe you got a new weapon that "kills 99.9% of Orks no matter what" they will make a bigger, meaner, killier version that "kills 99.99% of you no matter what." congratulations on giving orks a brand new weapon to use!

yea but now your assuming they could hit us with it

Well you could do what the Eldar did on Armageddon to save their own hides: Lead the orks away to another threat.
Just push 'um into a different direction, long as Der's lotta fightin' ta do.
They did that with an ork world, sent a bunch of Nids on them and now their battling for the planet.

The flaw in the plan being that if the orks win, they'd be fired up for war, if the Nids win they'd have consumed enough ork biomass to launch another Hive.

The above has already started.

Read the Nid codex.

in the Nid v. Ork example... wouldnt they be locked in a perpetual stalemate?

If i remember the fluff correctly, an Ork boy shoots off spores of orks when he dies, and thus the next generation of orks is born.
that being said, if a nid kills an ork, the spore is released and there are more orks to be brought to the right proppa fight!! and, the nids wont leave the planet until its been scrubbed bare of all life, so if the orks cant be properly extinguished from the planet, the nids will never leave it

It's a perpetumobile of violence!!!

Anung Un Rama wrote:It's a perpetumobile of violence!!!

And of course the Orkz involved are going to eventuly become monsterous (even by Ork standards)

Unless the Nid's assimilate the orky spores, mutating them into auto-spawning nids...

There's been precedent for this in earlier editions: Biovores that launch spore mines were based on ork "dna". How's dat fer shooty?

Mekniakal wrote:

Amen Brick wrote:

Set up an 'illusion' that some new Imperial Weapon Kills "99% of Orks Dead, stone Dead" off one shot, regardless of how weak the impact. Let some Orks escape to spread the word. Bingo, let the Orks see the new weapon and, er, more bingo the battle is won.

Not a great example, but I think the essential idea is sound.

Oh god, no.

You know how Gargants were created?

Some orks were getting their asses kicked by a titan, so a mek decides to build a bigger, meaner, stompier version. Thus the gargant.

If you got the Orks to believe you got a new weapon that "kills 99.9% of Orks no matter what" they will make a bigger, meaner, killier version that "kills 99.99% of you no matter what." congratulations on giving orks a brand new weapon to use! One things Orks got on lock down is the ability to reverse engineer/ dominate an arms race. In the Main rulebook, in the Ork section, there is a little blip where it shows that Orks have reverse engineered Necron technology for their own use

That's if it worked that way. Remember, Orks have a very selective thought process. They never lose, remember?

Nicely done there. And as for hitting you guys with it lol that too was a nice one. BUT in MY Ork mind, I say screw shootas its all about choppas, we need a gun? well get a big ass gun with a big ass blast template lol. SO that in mind us Orkses would just make the blast THAT MUCH BIGGER.

how about... um... we build a bigger titan than the orks! simple

It could help to get some orks to believe every other ork hates them, this would spread and in no time the orks would hate each other soo much, they simply forget any other race around them.

jamunition wrote:how about... um... we build a bigger titan than the orks! simple

the Omnissiah curses you!!! how DARE you defile His most holy word AND his blessed machines!!!


hehe, ranting aside... its pretty hard for the AdMech to do ANYTHING in the way of "just build a bigger one" being that theres been no major advancement in arms/armor/vehicles in about 10k years... if one was made, it was probably by a now renegade adept

Couldn't the Imperium just figure out how to engineer a weapon that destroys fungus?

Not only would it kill the Orks, it would keep them from producing spores (because the spores would die too).

And then the Orks wouldn't be able to reverse-engineer it. Because it wouldn't do anything similar to humans.

Chrysaor686 wrote:Couldn't the Imperium just figure out how to engineer a weapon that destroys fungus?

Not only would it kill the Orks, it would keep them from producing spores (because the spores would die too).

And then the Orks wouldn't be able to reverse-engineer it. Because it wouldn't do anything similar to humans.

This would be an "exterminatus" type threat. Remember, fungus plays an important part in the ecosystem. Kill all fungus, ruin the lifecycle of the planet.

Also, Orks are a Animal/Fungus hybrid. Why don't you just pour sulfuric acid or use nerve gas? Or a virus bomb? People are over thinking this. Any "top sekrett" weapon is not going to be anymore effective then a cyclone missile or a virus bomb.

And the orks will find a way to reverse engineer it or make their own protections; say gas masks. Orks are very straightforward, but they aren't stupid. If they are getting sick, they will produce remedies or ways to counter it, just like humans would.

Chrysaor686 wrote:Couldn't the Imperium just figure out how to engineer a weapon that destroys fungus?

Not only would it kill the Orks, it would keep them from producing spores (because the spores would die too).

And then the Orks wouldn't be able to reverse-engineer it. Because it wouldn't do anything similar to humans.

umm, the Imperium already does....its called a Flamer

ok, so maybe that would only work in large doses, and in the fluff...quick question... do you like KC Masterpiece or A-1 on your BBQ'd Ork???

I have to say that you're giving the Imperium way too much credit for being resourceful and creative. They are almost as rigid in thinking as the Orks and 'Nids and as far as creativity; it's somewhere near the year 40,000 and they are swimming in early WWII technology. Yeah sure the Space Marines are more high tech but they are simply (and genetically) made to perpetuate themselves and not much more. Maybe the Tau holds the secret of creative thinking, but somehow I doubt that. They're too preoccupied with "The Greater Good" ala Pegg and Wright to worry about that kind of fluff. Besides, they'll spend at least 15k years trying to "convert" da boyz. Now Chaos! Hmm, if they didn't enjoy the slaughter so much, they might actually figure out a way to convince da Boyz into lying down dead all in one go. Yeah I could see that. Just my thoughts... Great thread idea though!

Chrysaor686 wrote:Couldn't the Imperium just figure out how to engineer a weapon that destroys fungus?

Not only would it kill the Orks, it would keep them from producing spores (because the spores would die too).

And then the Orks wouldn't be able to reverse-engineer it. Because it wouldn't do anything similar to humans.

A universe without cheese does not deserve to exist. /endwallaceandgromit.

KingCracker wrote:

Nicely done there. And as for hitting you guys with it lol that too was a nice one. BUT in MY Ork mind, I say screw shootas its all about choppas, we need a gun? well get a big ass gun with a big ass blast template lol. SO that in mind us Orkses would just make the blast THAT MUCH BIGGER.

Blast weapons are now an Ork's best friend.

Also, I think many of you are reading into the "Believe it and it happens" thing a little too far. The Orks are psychic enough to make things happen, but the things they believe don't change easily. If you tell an ork you have a super cool weapon that kills orks automatically, you would probably get a response along the lines of: "Well I've got a 'uge weapon wut kills 'umies in one hit" followed by a blow to the head by a choppa.

Well put God of Yams, well put indeed!

Yams, you made me crack up. I saw that actually happening in my head and it was great. And yes, the new rules for blast weapons is AWESOME for Orks, totally goes around the "holy crap these guys can shoot for SH**" thing. sure if you dont roll a hit it scatters pretty far, but chances are ALOT better then using a BS2. Sides I love it when you roll a high scatter, and it falls on a different squad all together. its just mayhem!

ya know, i just had a thought about that whole nid vs. ork thing.... someone mentioned them getting monstrous, even by Ork standards... can you imagine, a Warboss the size of a bio titan???

brings a whole new meaning to "i's da biggest so I's da boss!!" dont it?

Then the Freakin Huge Mek could make him gargant armor