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First let me say if you are anti-WAAC then pls MYOB & STFU.

For 2k+ games is it possible to win on turn 1 consistently? This includes all the Forgeworld you could want.

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IMHO OAFV LOL. WTF is WAAC?

What could you death strike with?

An no, because you can now start in reserve.

Just ignore the reserve for now and assume the opponent deploys most of their army.

WAAC = win at all costs

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Unless you could phase out crons i think it would be extremely difficult.

1) on a 4x6 board the max a vehicle can move it 18", 24" if there is a road so i doubt you could reach your enemy turn 1, even if you could you probably have moved to fast for your troops to disembark.

2) turbo-boost gets you 18-24" but you cant assult that turn.


I don't know your army ergo I have no way of knowing how far/fast you can move. However I could see winning on Turn 2 a very real possibility expecially if somebody deploys up in their zone. (could easily win consistantly here).

Also are we to assume your going first?

To be honest I think a death strike army is only possible in larger point games... say 2000+ points. It shouldn't matter if you go first or second. It has to be a list that will beat your opponent before they have a chance to figure out what you are doing. It follows along the same lines as a death star army but is even more über. It should be a small army built around the smallest number of units possible. Being able to field Forgeworld is what I believe can make it all possible.

From a WAAC POV of view what could be better? You table your opponent inside of 15 minutes then go to the bar and drink beer until next the round. This could definitely boost the social aspect of the game in unintended ways.

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What is death strike?

Death Strike: Daemon Army Gift.
As a champion of Khorne's subtler martial skills, the Daemon is armed with either a barbed whip, one of the infamous flaming brass skulls, or some other kind of devilry that extends it's lethal reach. These are all ranged weaponss with the following profile...

Blah Blah Blah...

Though im pretty certain he just means WTFBBQPWN your opponent. ;p

Used to be able to run your opponents army off on turn 1 until they nerfed Infernus shells.

Still possible to table in two turns with them though.

Death strike means that you table your opponent on turn 1.

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Yes, with absolute deployment supremacy, you can win the game on turn one... well technically before turn one... but still.

If you deploy well enough, then both you, and your opponent will realize that there is no abiguity to the outcome of the match, they will then surrender, or wil spend the rest of the game dying... but you've still won on 1st turn.

I'm not that good that I can do it often (meaning more than once... ever)... but my friend is... sometimes... yes, I know, it's like "i know this guy, who knows this guy..." but it's possible even with reserves.

Why dont you post a list for us to explain your tactic further then? I'm interested but not conviced it is possibe in all but the most circumstantial situations.

Yeah, without any sort of information at all you might as well be asking if it's possible to suplex your opponent through the table turn one every game. Certainly a win condition but also very very very very unlikely.

I know I for one wouldn't get tabled turn one.

I can't provide any details on a list at the moMent but I will soon.

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I see a possibility with revenant titans against armies with low unit counts. I don't think you could literally table a guy on one. But you could make the game so over, that he'd concede before his first movement phase.

Each revenant titan can peace out two or three units a turn on turn 1. After turn one they can scoop three units a turn.

Either jump jet/super-heavy tank shock one unit and charge/stomp another, or in apocalypse missions with an aggressive deployment, move 12", fleet, pulsar a unit and charge/stomp another.

You could table someone with a gang of revenants if they deployed within 18" of you in an apoc game. You could use eldrad to sucker an assault army to deploy on the line of scrimmage, then drop all your revs 12" away.

4,000 army = 5 revenants. Each revenant charge/stomps a unit, pulsars two different units and RMLs another unit. Could potentially scoop 20 units. But that tactic would require braveness equating to stupidity to pull it off. And a lot of luck, both in scatters and in morale.

I think you need strength D... I briefly contemplated 16 basilisks in a 2000 point game... but I think with G2G, and such favorable morale rules versus shooting in 5th edition, that many armies could weather that much pie no problem.

You can table someone with good use of formations and strategems on turn 1


Marine battle company (careful planning- reserves on turn 1) + flank march + uber killyness = win

"All the forgeworld you could want"


So we're talking apocalypse and not normal 40k?


With huge titans in apoc (not 40k) it's possible to pretty much defeat someone on the first turn.

But that's because apocalypse rules are shi.t.

TheBloodGod wrote:
With huge titans in apoc (not 40k) it's possible to pretty much defeat someone on the first turn.

But that's because apocalypse rules are shi.t.

How do you come to that conclusion?

For one the apoc rules aren't designed for competitive play- but they can be used competiveity rather easily-

enemy have more guns than you? You do realise you can use reserves don't you?

Take a 2500 point shooty force and play against a 500 point force. You should be able to wipe them off the table on turn 1.

I was thinking more along the lines of gladiator style events. You can take some Forgeworld but it is not Apoc style. The concept of a death strike is theory hammer for me as I have never won any game in the first turn by tabling an opponent but I think it is possible.

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Its also possible to attain flight by flapping your arms. It will never happen though.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of gladiator style events. You can take some Forgeworld but it is not Apoc style. The concept of a death strike is theory hammer for me as I have never won any game in the first turn by tabling an opponent but I think it is possible.

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Please note that the Adepticon Gladiator, at least, limits you to one superheavy.

I don't think even the heaviest of titans can engage enough targets to produce a usable strategy. Your opponent would have to be completely ignorant of the D weapon rules, and feel like deploying in very tight groupings. Then you'd have to get lucky with the dice.

You could probably make a 2000 death strike army without using forgeworld

2 x Meks with SAG

15 x Deffkopta, with buzzsaws and bigbomm

2 x 10 grots

19 lootas

3 x Looted wagons with Boomgun.

1995 pts

If you get first turn you should be able to clear the table against most armies.

20 large blast templates and 45 str 9 PK attacks along with loota shooting should probably win you the game in round 1 if you go first.

Good luck if you go second. Either way enjoy the beers because it is going to be a quick game.

Ive death striked before in 1500. Bassie scattered on an ethereal and killed him. Then every unit ran off the table as he had no vehicles

The closest I ever came was a phase out of necrons on turn 2. Wulfen scout move 6", animal rage another 6" then assault Necron units, breaking them off the table. Necron shooting is terrible then Wulfen combi charge again with a Wulfen lord biker squad plus Rune Priest joined with a Grey Slayer pack that had teleported in the first turn. Necrons were tabled.

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Shooty ork armies are scary!

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In a normal 40K game, can you field multiple FOC on your own, if you meet the required miniumum slots to be filled?

With a Daemon prince or Blood Thirster, yes.

They are BS 5 and 4 respectively.

I like how this thread went from making fun of the internet speak dude, to adopting his completely made up and without precedent word in responses. Death Strike? Are you for serious?

Bagde badger badger (x lots)

(S) hhhaaattte Oohh (s) haaatttte ooohh its a (s) haaattte.

Mushroom mushroom.

Ahem.. sorry. The question posed by the OP is pefectly a valid and fair question. Its not a spam about nobz or a general self-engraciating post but somthing worthy of discussion and debate.

Stop hating and trying to promote the hates.

Razerous wrote:Bagde badger badger (x lots)

(S) hhhaaattte Oohh (s) haaatttte ooohh its a (s) haaattte.

Mushroom mushroom.

Ahem.. sorry. The question posed by the OP is pefectly a valid and fair question. Its not a spam about nobz or a general self-engraciating post but somthing worthy of discussion and debate.

Stop hating and trying to promote the hates.

That's all well and good, but the poster isn't genuine.

In response to a comment about ork armies, he says "Yeah, orks are scary!"

You can't be that daft, chap.